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Mission man -- trading hands

 
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Stefan Ram
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

IIRC Bruce Springsteen wrote "Spirits in the night", beginning
with something like:

Crazy Janey and her mission man were back in the alley trading hands

I am not a native speaker and wonder whether the terms
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
native speaker than they mean to me.
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Adrian Smith
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

Stefan Ram wrote:
Quote:
IIRC Bruce Springsteen wrote "Spirits in the night", beginning
with something like:

Crazy Janey and her mission man were back in the alley trading hands

I am not a native speaker and wonder whether the terms
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
native speaker than they mean to me.

My suspicion is that, like many songwriters, he just comes up with
something which sounds sort of stirring and melodramatically exuberant
and thinks "That'll do", whether it means anything or not. But I could
be doing him a dreadful injustice, and would advise tracking down some
enthusiasts on rec.music.artists.springsteen or similar and getting
their opinion.

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Adrian Smith
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Stefan Ram
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

"Adrian Smith" <adrian_p_smith@yahoo.com> writes:
Quote:
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
My suspicion is that, like many songwriters, he just comes up with
something which sounds sort of stirring and melodramatically exuberant

Thank you, I have simply not any idea, what a "mission man"
is, but now I found some clues in the web:

Port Runner

A Mission man is behind bars this evening for allegedly
trying to take $5,000 of undeclared money into Mexico.

Google Cache of
http://www.krgv.net/news/arc-20000727.html

There are six other different pages with the term from this
site, five of them spell "Mission man" with an uppercase
initial "M".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When a Mission man is spiritual, the work is spiritual.
When he is orderly, the work is orderly. When he is clean,
personally and generally, the work reflects this. Every
Mission Superintendent owes his or her community the best
possible representation for Rescue that can be had.

Then there is the corporate witness. A Mission man stands
for more than the witness of an individual. He in a
corporate sense, represents the cooperating churches.
Service groups, directors, volunteer families, donors and
individual Christian friends. However the effectiveness of
this fulfillment will only be realized as the community
recognizes the Superintendent.

http://www.rescue.edu/304/materials/community.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Fishermen's Mission has had a presence at Scrabster
Harbour for over 40 yrs. The present building has been
updated on a few occasions over the past 5 yrs with a new
up to date Kitchen fitted and recently a new Lounge and
Emergency room come Guest room having been added to the
building and the second floor gave a Lounge and extra
bedroom to the living quarters of the Mission Man and
family who live above the Mission so that the premises can
be made available as required for Fishermen socially & for
emergencies on a 24 hrs 7 day a week basis.

http://www.scrabster.co.uk/mission/

So a "Mission man" might be a man taking care of a "Mission".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The article "Mission man" was deleted from Wikipedia in
April, mentioned on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_April_11#Mission_Man

However, I found a copy saying:

"Mission Man" is the stage name for Gary Milholland, a
rap vocalist based in Oxford, Ohio.



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Stefan Ram
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

"Adrian Smith" <adrian_p_smith@yahoo.com> writes:
Quote:
Crazy Janey and her mission man were back in the alley trading hands

And now I found that "to trade hands" has to do with playing
the game of "Take 3" (a card game) or card games in general:

http://members.fortunecity.com/charliehorse1/
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John Dean
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

Adrian Smith wrote:
Quote:
Stefan Ram wrote:
IIRC Bruce Springsteen wrote "Spirits in the night", beginning
with something like:

Crazy Janey and her mission man were back in the alley trading
hands

I am not a native speaker and wonder whether the terms
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
native speaker than they mean to me.

My suspicion is that, like many songwriters, he just comes up with
something which sounds sort of stirring and melodramatically exuberant
and thinks "That'll do", whether it means anything or not. But I could
be doing him a dreadful injustice, and would advise tracking down some
enthusiasts on rec.music.artists.springsteen or similar and getting
their opinion.

18,000 Google hits for "trading hands" - few of them from The Boss.
Seems to be an accepted US financial term for "changing hands".
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John Dean
Oxford
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Peter Bennett
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

On 7 Oct 2005 13:07:05 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

Quote:
"Adrian Smith" <adrian_p_smith@yahoo.com> writes:
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
My suspicion is that, like many songwriters, he just comes up with
something which sounds sort of stirring and melodramatically exuberant

Thank you, I have simply not any idea, what a "mission man"
is, but now I found some clues in the web:

Port Runner

A Mission man is behind bars this evening for allegedly
trying to take $5,000 of undeclared money into Mexico.

I would read this as "A man from the town of Mission..." which
probably doesn't work with your original quote.

Quote:
Google Cache of
http://www.krgv.net/news/arc-20000727.html

There are six other different pages with the term from this
site, five of them spell "Mission man" with an uppercase
initial "M".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When a Mission man is spiritual, the work is spiritual.
When he is orderly, the work is orderly. When he is clean,
personally and generally, the work reflects this. Every
Mission Superintendent owes his or her community the best
possible representation for Rescue that can be had.

Here, and in your "Fisherman's Mission" quote, the "Mission man" is a
member of a religious organisation - again, this probably doesn't fit
your original quote.


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Stefan Ram
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

Peter Bennett <peterbb@somewhere.invalid> writes:
Quote:
Here, and in your "Fisherman's Mission" quote, the "Mission man" is a
member of a religious organisation - again, this probably doesn't fit
your original quote.

I have found an connection that is not yet mentioned with the
following sources anywhere in the Web or the Usenet, though a
hint on the web gave me the idea.

There was a woman by the name of "Emily Murphy" who had a
husband who was a "Mission preacher". Emily called herself
"Janey Canuck"

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/cree/pioneer/Forestry/52a.htm

She nominated herself for the Nobel prize, which then went to
William Butler Yeats, who wrote a poem "Crazy Jane Talks With
The Bishop"

http://www.web-books.com/Classics/Poetry/Anthology/Yeats/Crazy.htm
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nancy13g
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Mission man -- trading hands Reply with quote

Stefan Ram wrote:
Quote:
IIRC Bruce Springsteen wrote "Spirits in the night", beginning
with something like:

Crazy Janey and her mission man
were back in the alley trading hands

I am not a native speaker and wonder whether the terms
"mission man" and to "trade hands" mean anything more to a
native speaker than they mean to me.

A "mission" can be any type of charitable organization run by any
organized religion, but it's often used to refer specifically to a
shelter house of some sort. I'd guess in this case that the "mission
man" was either (likely) a man who lived in the mission; i.e., lived in
the local homeless shelter -- or (less likely, IMO) it could be one of
the mission workers who instead of helping the homeless people was
sneaking out to the alley to meet "Crazy Janie".
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