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the Omrud
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:52 pm
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Salvatore Volatile spake thusly:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
I don't even know how old I was when I learned to read. I can't
remember not being able to, but I can't remember much of anything
earlier than when I was six. I see people here post that they could
do this or that when they were three years old and it amazes me. Not
that they did it, but that they can remember the age at which they did
it.
I think that some of it is hearsay, and other dates are derived from some
major events in one's life.
Right. I can date some of my memories pretty reliably to before age 3
(and thus age 2, since I don't suppose it's possible to remember stuff
earlier than that) because specific details of the memory don't make sense
otherwise -- often this has to do with the fact that my younger brother
was born a few weeks after I turned three and the memory is sort of
defined by his absence. And sometimes the nature of the memory makes it
unlikely that it would be hearsay-based -- it's too irrelevant.
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I remember my sister being born, a month before my 3rd birthday. I
can't place any other early memories in time so I have to count this
as the earliest.
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David
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:13 am
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:52:45 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | I remember my sister being born, a month before my 3rd birthday. I
can't place any other early memories in time so I have to count this
as the earliest.
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My brother is four years younger than I am. I have no memories of him
as an infant, but some of him as a toddler. I guess I was just born
with a leaky memory. (If I was replying to Areff, I'd say "a wonky
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:33 am
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:13:22 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:52:45 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com
wrote:
I remember my sister being born, a month before my 3rd birthday. I
can't place any other early memories in time so I have to count this
as the earliest.
My brother is four years younger than I am. I have no memories of him
as an infant, but some of him as a toddler. I guess I was just born
with a leaky memory. (If I was replying to Areff, I'd say "a wonky
memory")
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That's the problem in a nutshell, Coop. You consciously make the
choice of whether to use language that comes naturally to you or, in
your typically pretentious manner, to use BrE. Give it a break, Coop.
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:45 am
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
[ ... ]
I don't even know how old I was when I learned to read. I can't
remember not being able to, but I can't remember much of anything
earlier than when I was six. I see people here post that they could
do this or that when they were three years old and it amazes me. Not
that they did it, but that they can remember the age at which they
did it.
Most of what I "know" about my very early years I was told by my
parents, and I decided to believe them, since they had little
incentive to lie. In similar fashion, my son knows that his first
word was "light" not because he remembers using it before any other
word but because we've told him.
Like Tony, I can't claim detailed first-hand recollection of any event
occuring before I was six. I do have vivid memories of a couple of
things that happened to me at age six. Before that it's pretty much a
blur.
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I remember my sister being born when I was five and a half. I don't
remember my mother looking pregnant, though. I also remember my grandmother
pulling me around the dining toom table in a cardboard box she had attached
a string to. I must have been quite young and small.
There was also the tragic incident of the front wheel of my tricycle
breaking off when I ran it into the wire that was separating a park pathway
from the surrounding green area. That tricycle was never repaired, nor was
it replaced. I also recall that the tricycle was not of the kind that had
the pedals sticking out from the front wheel, but it had front and rear
sprockets and a chain, just like bicycles do.
I remember joining my parents in their bed on Sunday mornings and learning
to read from the newspaper my dad was perusing. That was way before I
started school (and there was no sister, yet).
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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TsuiDF
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:31 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | Should it be brought up that if you add an "s" to bus that it makes it
more romantic?
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I definitely think someone should mention it to the company around here
whose large 'autocars' (as they are called here in one of the local
languages) are labelled, in huge script, 'Eurobussing'. They don't
deliver what that would seem to promise.
Stephanie
in Brussels |
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TsuiDF
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:33 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | I can't recall what an English hairdresser would call what we call
"bangs". I wouldn't call it a fringe since I think of a fringe of
hair as being what a near-bald man has around the side of his head.
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Contrary to your expectations, it is indeed a fringe. At least that
seemed to work last time I was at an English hairdresser's and we had a
discussion about how to cut that bit of hair -- which was about 10 days
ago.
cheers,
Stephanie
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:19 am
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:33:18 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:13:22 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:52:45 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com
wrote:
I remember my sister being born, a month before my 3rd birthday. I
can't place any other early memories in time so I have to count this
as the earliest.
My brother is four years younger than I am. I have no memories of him
as an infant, but some of him as a toddler. I guess I was just born
with a leaky memory. (If I was replying to Areff, I'd say "a wonky
memory")
That's the problem in a nutshell, Coop. You consciously make the
choice of whether to use language that comes naturally to you or, in
your typically pretentious manner, to use BrE. Give it a break, Coop.
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You're a right gobdaw, Charles, foostering about and giving out. |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:09 am
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:12:41 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<robert.lieblich@verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
[ ... ]
I don't even know how old I was when I learned to read. I can't
remember not being able to, but I can't remember much of anything
earlier than when I was six. I see people here post that they could
do this or that when they were three years old and it amazes me. Not
that they did it, but that they can remember the age at which they did
it.
Most of what I "know" about my very early years I was told by my
parents, and I decided to believe them, since they had little
incentive to lie. In similar fashion, my son knows that his first
word was "light" not because he remembers using it before any other
word but because we've told him.
Like Tony, I can't claim detailed first-hand recollection of any event
occuring before I was six. I do have vivid memories of a couple of
things that happened to me at age six. Before that it's pretty much a
blur.
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I remember being frightened of the steps down into our Andersen
(air-raid) shelter during the war. Most people built them on the
surface like a garden shed but my father followed the rules by half
burying it in the ground and piling the earth on top of it. I also
remember German bombers coming over on their way home on one occasion
from bombing runs further north, and one bomb being dumped (Nottingham
was not a target city) and destroying a local lock-up sub-post office.
Nobody was hurt. I could not have been older than three; possibly was
only two.
I don't actually remember the process of being taught to read but I do
remember the children's magazine with which my mother taught me. It
was produced by the Methodists, called "Wee Wisdom", and was sent over
in our food parcels, probably from Canada. The back page had human
figures with separate clothes that could be cut out and fitted to the
figures by folding tabs over. My mother did the cutting out and
subsequently told me that I was three at that time.
I certainly remember being just about the only kid who could read well
in my primary school at five. I got a clout over the head when it was
my turn to read to the class because the teacher, Miss Ward, thought
that I had the book at home, had memorised it and was being a smart
ass. My mother went storming up to the school to complain to the
headmistress, Miss Payne, who chose a book at random from her shelf
and asked me to read it. I can't remember what it was but I did
sufficiently well for my mother to get an apology. I also remember
whole periods being spent on writing one letter at a time, because the
other kids couldn't write, either. Miss W used a blackboard with
squares, we had squared notepaper, and she drew a quarter of a letter
at a time and then went around the class checking that every kid had
copied it correctly. It was utterly boring, and those two experiences
made me ignore schoolwork and show many of the signs of autism until I
was about nine or ten.
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Robin
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:12 am
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean wrote:
I keep wanting to play a lick on the guitar and sing "The busboy took
the message and he wrote it on the wall".
Your uncle was a busboy?
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My Uncle was a tripe dresser but I haven't found any worthwhile songs on
the subject.
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John Dean
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:53 pm
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John Dean spake thusly:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
John Dean wrote:
I keep wanting to play a lick on the guitar and sing "The busboy took
the message and he wrote it on the wall".
Your uncle was a busboy?
My Uncle was a tripe dresser but I haven't found any worthwhile songs on
the subject.
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I'm not a tripey dresser, I'm a tripey dresser's mate,
And I'm only dressing tripe because the tripey dresser's late.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:05 pm
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:19:23 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:33:18 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:13:22 GMT, Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:52:45 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com
wrote:
I remember my sister being born, a month before my 3rd birthday. I
can't place any other early memories in time so I have to count this
as the earliest.
My brother is four years younger than I am. I have no memories of him
as an infant, but some of him as a toddler. I guess I was just born
with a leaky memory. (If I was replying to Areff, I'd say "a wonky
memory")
That's the problem in a nutshell, Coop. You consciously make the
choice of whether to use language that comes naturally to you or, in
your typically pretentious manner, to use BrE. Give it a break, Coop.
You're a right gobdaw, Charles, foostering about and giving out.
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Considering the corner you've worked yourself into, Coop, with your
insistence on Briticisms, and knowing the type of person you are, a
response of that sort was your only option.
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John Holmes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:11 pm
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
John Dean wrote:
I keep wanting to play a lick on the guitar and sing "The busboy
took the message and he wrote it on the wall".
Your uncle was a busboy?
My Uncle was a tripe dresser but I haven't found any worthwhile songs
on the subject.
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A pink panama with a purple hat band?
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Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:47 pm
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:05:39 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
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| Quote: | Considering the corner you've worked yourself into, Coop, with your
insistence on Briticisms, and knowing the type of person you are, a
response of that sort was your only option.
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Do I come across as a person that is uncomfortable in this corner? In
any way dismayed? |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:57 pm
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:47:24 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:05:39 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net
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Considering the corner you've worked yourself into, Coop, with your
insistence on Briticisms, and knowing the type of person you are, a
response of that sort was your only option.
Do I come across as a person that is uncomfortable in this corner? In
any way dismayed?
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Robert Bannister
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:45 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:35:46 +0800, Robert Bannister
robban@it.net.au> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
It might be important here, but the sequence of the development of
words and formations from words is generally not important in defining
a word. If someone asks about busboy, they are usually interested in
the current meaning and usage. Thus, a busboy is a person that clears
the table and takes the dishes to the kitchen, and to clear the table
is to bus the table, is the explanation that the person is looking
for.
That would not explain it at all to someone who did not know the word
"busboy", since "busing tables" makes no sense outside North America
(and I'm not sure about Canada).
The sentence explains what bussing the table means: "to clear the
table is to bus the table". I suppose there are countries where
"clear the table" needs further explanation, but we rarely get
inquiries from these areas. If the further explanation is "clear the
table" means to remove the dishes and silverware from the table, then
the posters from these same countries might ask "What are dishes?".
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Now I've reread the sentence, I can't imagine why I wrote that. Sorry,
it must have been too early in the morning for me.
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