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R H Draney
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:42 am
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Wood Avens filted:
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Reeling, Writhing, and Eurythmics, innit.
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Who am I to disagree?...r |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:08 am
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On 4 Oct 2005 10:20:37 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Robin Bignall filted:
On 3 Oct 2005 15:46:43 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin Gardner points out
in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more familiar art classes:
Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as
it is by the branches of Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r
As a matter of interest, did anyone in this group have to have those
explained when they first read "Alice..." at, presumably, an early
age?
At the, yes, early age when I first read Alice, I let a lot of things wash over
me because I was not yet aware that they were supposed to make sense...while the
original nineteenth-century British audience may have had much fun with "the
familiar made strange", the familiar things being lampooned were *already*
strange to my twentieth-century California sensibilities...what Alice considered
a commonplace (bathing-machines?) seemed every bit as bizarre as talking dormice
or eating hay when one feels faint...it was only years later that I realized
that "take care of the sense and the sounds will take care of themselves" was
meant to suggest a popular saying....
I guess that would have been easier for a Brit to understand: "Take |
care of the pence and the pounds will take care of themselves" was one
of my father's many stock adages.
| Quote: | I *did* realize that something was going on at "we called him tortoise because
he taught us", but as a rhotic sort of person it struck me a rather labored and
contrived piece of wordplay....r
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I think I must have been eight when I first read it, because I
remember reading it before "The Sword in the Stone" and "Meal with a
Magician" which were in an illustrated book of stories I had for my
ninth birthday. I got "reeling and writhing" first time through, but
it took me a while to understand "fainting in coils" because I had no
knowledge of artists using oil paints. I thought that the tortoise
one was obvious (and, to an eight-year-old, funny), and I smelled a
rat with "Twinkle, twinkle little bat..." because I knew the original
"Twinkle, twinkle little star..." But the fact that the other poems
were lampoons of 19th century works (I've never bothered to look up
the originals), and that little girls of Alice's age were expected to
learn slabs of such stuff off by heart, only slowly dawned on me after
I had read the two Alice books several times over the next year or
two.
I don't think that the idea of talking rabbits or conger eels was
bizarre to me, for I'd read many of the simpler fairy stories when I
was younger, and if a wolf dressed as a grandmother can say "All the
better to eat you up with" to Little Red Riding Hood, then a white
rabbit saying "Oh, my ears and whiskers" is quite tame stuff.
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Robin
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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:53 am
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:48:11 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net
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| Quote: | You have become one of the posters whose posts I often threat
with only a cursory glance nowadays. Life's too short to read something
that is repetitive, negative (not buddha-like), and has nothing to do with
me.
Completely in the Buddhist tradition, my
friend-who'd-now-prefer-not-to-be-one, apparently. Buddha strongly
suggested we associate only with those at least as good as ourselves,
avoiding, if possible, the rest. It is virtually impossible to avoid
quoted pieces of Coop's posts if one is to read AUE at all, so I do
the next best thing and attempt to make him a better man by
concentrating on his posts in the original.
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Buddha had other suggestions too. "And what is right speech?
Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, &
from idle chatter: This is called right speech." (Thanks to
<http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca4/samma-vaca/>.)
I think all of those have their place, very limited except that I like
idle chatter, but I think my opinion is more favorable to you (and
Tony) than Buddha's would be.
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Jerry Friedman |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:45 pm
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On 4 Oct 2005 15:53:33 -0700, "jerry_friedman@yahoo.com"
<jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:48:11 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net
wrote:
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You have become one of the posters whose posts I often threat
with only a cursory glance nowadays. Life's too short to read something
that is repetitive, negative (not buddha-like), and has nothing to do with
me.
Completely in the Buddhist tradition, my
friend-who'd-now-prefer-not-to-be-one, apparently. Buddha strongly
suggested we associate only with those at least as good as ourselves,
avoiding, if possible, the rest. It is virtually impossible to avoid
quoted pieces of Coop's posts if one is to read AUE at all, so I do
the next best thing and attempt to make him a better man by
concentrating on his posts in the original.
...
Buddha had other suggestions too. "And what is right speech?
Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, &
from idle chatter: This is called right speech." (Thanks to
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca4/samma-vaca/>.)
I think all of those have their place, very limited except that I like
idle chatter, but I think my opinion is more favorable to you (and
Tony) than Buddha's would be.
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At least someone's on my side to some degree, even if I must be lumped
with Coop to have that much support. Thank you, Jerry.
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Charles Riggs |
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