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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:29 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:52:48 +0100, Peter Duncanson
<mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:18:39 +0100, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:22 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
we must work in widely diverging circles.
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
That's what I thought. However, I googled and found the version I
quoted. I'm still kerflummoxed.
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You're right. It's the Mock Turtle who mentions "Reeling and
Writhing". Immediate unkerflummoxidation is recommended.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:46 am
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Robin Bignall filted:
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:52:48 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:18:39 +0100, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
That's what I thought. However, I googled and found the version I
quoted. I'm still kerflummoxed.
You're right. It's the Mock Turtle who mentions "Reeling and
Writhing". Immediate unkerflummoxidation is recommended.
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"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin Gardner points out
in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more familiar art classes:
Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as
it is by the branches of Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r |
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Weatherlawyer
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:02 am
Post subject: Re: Sinecuree? |
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Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
| Quote: | Dena Jo <me@privacy.net> writes:
On 01 Oct 2005, Sara Lorimer posted thus:
I'm particularly annoyed by Americans who say "Nicaragua" as if
opposed to the more customary American pronunciation,
Neek-uh-RAH-gwa,
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I always thought it was pronounced: Knicker rag you are.
But what's in a name? That which we Culdrose....
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:05 am
Post subject: Re: Sinecuree? |
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
I don't think "Coop" -- or anyone -- expected to see my name on the
membership list of any TC fan club there might be. I'm neutral on
TC: both nice and not-so-nice to him, depending on what he's
posted. (Does that make me wishy-washy? No answers, please.)
No, Maria, that does not make you wishy-washy, it indicates
rationality.
Gee, thanks, Uncle Charles.
This is my reward after I compliment you?
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I read the sentence as if it were written with a certain amount of
exasperation. ("No, my child, that does not [blah blah blah]). A
mistake, apparently.
| Quote: | .......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
"My man"?
In the Hibernian-English sense. Had your coffee?
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I'm strictly into decaf these days, and it just isn't the same. Anyway,
I don't speak Hibernian-English.
By the way, why isn't it "Irish English"? Because IrE spells a word, and
the word suggests soreheadedness (which, unaccountably, isn't in M-W
Online)? The people who created the terms "BrE" and "AmE" and all the
rest of the "E"s should know the answer to that question.)
| Quote: | I disagree you are neutral, though. Since you have never launched
even a minor tirade against the man, as is only reasonable now and
again, at least as I see it, I have to consider you a fan.
No, you have to consider me neutral: neither fan nor foe.
I *have* to?
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Just following the pattern you started with "I have to consider you a
fan." But you probably want a reason why you *have* to. Here it is: You
have to consider me neutral on the subject of Tony because I *am*
neutral. To consider me otherwise is to be wrong, and you know how you
hate being wrong.
| Quote: | ..........Surely, we can't
list you, on this score, with Franke, Simon, Rey, Richard F, Bob C,
the new Fran, or myself, for the reason given.
No need to list me at all.
For the reason given, as I said, which was why I said it.
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NGE. ("NGE" is not a version of English. It's an acronym. Betcha someone
will figure out what it means.)
| Quote: | And where *are* Simon and Franke?
I miss them both. And don't forget Jan, one of our better men if not
one of our happiest.
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Some of Jan's poems are on my Web site. I'll be adding more.
Maria Conlon
http://www.brian-maria.com |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:56 pm
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:59:35 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
<maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
I don't think "Coop" -- or anyone -- expected to see my name on the
membership list of any TC fan club there might be. I'm neutral on
TC: both nice and not-so-nice to him, depending on what he's
posted. (Does that make me wishy-washy? No answers, please.)
No, Maria, that does not make you wishy-washy, it indicates
rationality.
Gee, thanks, Uncle Charles.
This is my reward after I compliment you?
I read the sentence as if it were written with a certain amount of
exasperation. ("No, my child, that does not [blah blah blah]). A
mistake, apparently.
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Yes, but no biggie.
| Quote: | .......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
"My man"?
In the Hibernian-English sense. Had your coffee?
I'm strictly into decaf these days, and it just isn't the same. Anyway,
I don't speak Hibernian-English.
By the way, why isn't it "Irish English"? Because IrE spells a word, and
the word suggests soreheadedness (which, unaccountably, isn't in M-W
Online)? The people who created the terms "BrE" and "AmE" and all the
rest of the "E"s should know the answer to that question.)
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I believe it was Professor Terence Dolan of UCD who coined the phrase.
"Hibernian-English" makes it clear a dialect of English is being
referred to, whereas "Irish English" sounds odd considering that most
people here refer to the national language as Irish. I suppose one
might think "Irish English" referred to the borrowing of English words
by the modern Irish language, which happens to a small degree, so that
may be why it is seldom used.
| Quote: | I disagree you are neutral, though. Since you have never launched
even a minor tirade against the man, as is only reasonable now and
again, at least as I see it, I have to consider you a fan.
No, you have to consider me neutral: neither fan nor foe.
I *have* to?
Just following the pattern you started with "I have to consider you a
fan." But you probably want a reason why you *have* to. Here it is: You
have to consider me neutral on the subject of Tony because I *am*
neutral. To consider me otherwise is to be wrong, and you know how you
hate being wrong.
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Where'd you get that idea? It doesn't bother me a whit when I'm wrong;
I correct myself and move on. You may be confusing me with your other
buddy TC.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:16 pm
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:59:35 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
<maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In the Hibernian-English sense. Had your coffee?
I'm strictly into decaf these days, and it just isn't the same. Anyway,
I don't speak Hibernian-English.
By the way, why isn't it "Irish English"? Because IrE spells a word, and
the word suggests soreheadedness (which, unaccountably, isn't in M-W
Online)? The people who created the terms "BrE" and "AmE" and all the
rest of the "E"s should know the answer to that question.)
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Charles is on firmer-than-usual ground here. Granted it's about as
firm as one of the floating islands in the Okefenokee Swamp, but
that's a comparatively stable surface for Charles.
The term "Hibernian English" is an established form of English. See:
http://tinyurl.com/cudj4 for information on the Hibernian English
Language Centre in Cork. Even without this link to respectableness,
the term is better than Areff's Hiberno-Whatever labels.
| Quote: | Just following the pattern you started with "I have to consider you a
fan." But you probably want a reason why you *have* to. Here it is: You
have to consider me neutral on the subject of Tony because I *am*
neutral. To consider me otherwise is to be wrong, and you know how you
hate being wrong.
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When you write "the subject of Tony", I feel strangely objectified.
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Making an effort to include a condemnable term in every posting.
Tony Cooper
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:38 pm
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On 3 Oct 2005 15:46:43 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Robin Bignall filted:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:52:48 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:18:39 +0100, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
That's what I thought. However, I googled and found the version I
quoted. I'm still kerflummoxed.
You're right. It's the Mock Turtle who mentions "Reeling and
Writhing". Immediate unkerflummoxidation is recommended.
"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin Gardner points out
in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more familiar art classes:
Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as
it is by the branches of Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r
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As a matter of interest, did anyone in this group have to have those
explained when they first read "Alice..." at, presumably, an early
age?
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:40 pm
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Robin Bignall wrote:
| Quote: | On 3 Oct 2005 15:46:43 -0700, R H Draney
[...]
"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin
Gardner
points out in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more
familiar art classes: Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in
Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as it is by the branches
of
Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r
As a matter of interest, did anyone in this group have to have
those
explained when they first read "Alice..." at, presumably, an early
age?
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Good question. I don't remember, but I imagine I needed the
explanation.
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:57 pm
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Just following the pattern you started with "I have to consider you a
fan." But you probably want a reason why you *have* to. Here it is:
You
have to consider me neutral on the subject of Tony because I *am*
neutral. To consider me otherwise is to be wrong, and you know how you
hate being wrong.
Where'd you get that idea? It doesn't bother me a whit when I'm wrong;
I correct myself and move on.
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Ah. Well, maybe that's true.
| Quote: | ...You may be confusing me with your other buddy TC.
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And then again, maybe what you said above is not so true.
Btw, a comma after "buddy" may be in order.
Maria Conlon |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:05 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | When you write "the subject of Tony", I feel strangely objectified.
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Now, now, don't get upset. No one thinks of you as an "object." That's
too fancy a word. You're just a sweet old thing.
Maybe a shopping spree will cheer you up -- get a new hat or a new pair
of shoes, and then go have lunch with the boys.
Maria Conlon |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:26 pm
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Mike Lyle spake thusly:
| Quote: | Robin Bignall wrote:
On 3 Oct 2005 15:46:43 -0700, R H Draney
[...]
"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin
Gardner
points out in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more
familiar art classes: Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in
Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as it is by the branches
of Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r
As a matter of interest, did anyone in this group have to have
those explained when they first read "Alice..." at, presumably, an
early age?
Good question. I don't remember, but I imagine I needed the
explanation.
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I imagine there were loads of things in both books which were
incomprehensible to me, but I don't specifically remember asking.
Especially this one - there's no reason to guess that it refers to a
real occupation of Young Ladies.
--
David
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:20 pm
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Robin Bignall filted:
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On 3 Oct 2005 15:46:43 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> wrote:
"Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils" is (as Martin Gardner points out
in _The Annotated Alice_) a corruption of the more familiar art classes:
Drawing, Sketching, and Painting in Oils..."Reeling and Writhing", followed as
it is by the branches of Arithmetic, is based on "Reading and Writing"....r
As a matter of interest, did anyone in this group have to have those
explained when they first read "Alice..." at, presumably, an early
age?
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At the, yes, early age when I first read Alice, I let a lot of things wash over
me because I was not yet aware that they were supposed to make sense...while the
original nineteenth-century British audience may have had much fun with "the
familiar made strange", the familiar things being lampooned were *already*
strange to my twentieth-century California sensibilities...what Alice considered
a commonplace (bathing-machines?) seemed every bit as bizarre as talking dormice
or eating hay when one feels faint...it was only years later that I realized
that "take care of the sense and the sounds will take care of themselves" was
meant to suggest a popular saying....
I *did* realize that something was going on at "we called him tortoise because
he taught us", but as a rhotic sort of person it struck me a rather labored and
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:58 pm
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Maria Conlon wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
...You may be confusing me with your other buddy TC.
And then again, maybe what you said above is not so true.
Btw, a comma after "buddy" may be in order.
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That's an interesting one. The "other" is what throws a wrench into the
works. Without the "other", omitting the comma would be the right thing to
do. With it -- well, I just don't know. A comma would look a bit strange
to me and suggest that the sentence is addressed to TC. Maybe a dash, or
something?
Bob L may have a sound opinion on this.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:30 am
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
Charles Riggs wrote:
...You may be confusing me with your other buddy TC.
And then again, maybe what you said above is not so true.
Btw, a comma after "buddy" may be in order.
That's an interesting one. The "other" is what throws a wrench into
the works.
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I agree.
| Quote: | .....Without the "other", omitting the comma would be the right thing
to do. With it -- well, I just don't know. A comma would look a bit
strange to me and suggest that the sentence is addressed to TC. Maybe
a dash, or something?
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Hmm. Now you've got me wondering.
| Quote: | Bob L may have a sound opinion on this.
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I'll be listening.
Maria Conlon |
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Wood Avens
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:05 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:52:48 +0100, Peter Duncanson
<mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:18:39 +0100, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:22 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
we must work in widely diverging circles.
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
That's what I thought. However, I googled and found the version I
quoted. I'm still kerflummoxed.
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Reeling, Writhing, and Eurythmics, innit.
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Katy Jennison
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