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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:11 am
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Ross Howard wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:46:04 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrought:
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 02 Oct 2005, Salvatore Volatile wrote
-snip-
I think this is completely legitimate -- I'd also say "tube",
although arguably one should write "cheeb" to match the current
prevailing London pronunciation.
?? You really need to have your ears checked.
No, allowing for the exaggeration, I back him on this one.(Indeed,
I
am probably one of his sources, as I've sneered at it here.) There
is
also "chin" for "tune".
Don't be soace cheepid!
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Twexcape censher I should exchee it?
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:12 am
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:11:42 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrought:
| Quote: | Ross Howard wrote:
On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:46:04 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrought:
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 02 Oct 2005, Salvatore Volatile wrote
-snip-
I think this is completely legitimate -- I'd also say "tube",
although arguably one should write "cheeb" to match the current
prevailing London pronunciation.
?? You really need to have your ears checked.
No, allowing for the exaggeration, I back him on this one.(Indeed,
I
am probably one of his sources, as I've sneered at it here.) There
is
also "chin" for "tune".
Don't be soace cheepid!
Twexcape censher I should exchee it?
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Absleetly!
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:16 am
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On 02 Oct 2005, Mike Lyle wrote
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 02 Oct 2005, Mike Lyle wrote
Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 02 Oct 2005, Mike Lyle wrote
aHarvey Van Sickle wrote:
On 02 Oct 2005, Salvatore Volatile wrote
-snip-
I think this is completely legitimate -- I'd also say "tube",
although arguably one should write "cheeb" to match the
current
prevailing London pronunciation.
?? You really need to have your ears checked.
No, allowing for the exaggeration, I back him on this
one.(Indeed, I am probably one of his sources, as I've sneered
at it here.) There is also "chin" for "tune".
I can imagine the existence of a form approaching that, but I
think to call it "the current prevailing London pronunciation" is
just silly.
It's certainly not the one I hear from the people I work with in
London; we must work in widely diverging circles.
Not your circles or mine, but try the Radio One types.
I'll pass on that, thanks -- but I'd argue that Radio Oneland
doesn't
constitute "the current prevailing London pronunciation"....
Quite so; but I did insert an exaggeration disclaimer, which I hoped
would cover it. You hear it on Four as well, though.
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Ah: fair 'nuff. (I took the exaggeration disclaimer to apply just to
the representation of the sound rather than to the "prevailing" bit;
'pologies etc.)
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:27 am
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:22 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
<harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | we must work in widely diverging circles.
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That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:05 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:50:43 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
<maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | .......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
"My man"?
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Charles is stealing my Hiberno-Whateverisms. "Your man", or "Yer man"
as it is pronounced, is a common way to refer to someone in Ireland.
It doesn't have the same meaning as "your man" does here.
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Making an effort to include a condemnable term in every posting.
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:05 am
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | Maria Conlon wrote:
I don't think "Coop" -- or anyone -- expected to see my name on the
membership list of any TC fan club there might be. I'm neutral on TC:
both nice and not-so-nice to him, depending on what he's posted.
(Does that make me wishy-washy? No answers, please.)
No, Maria, that does not make you wishy-washy, it indicates
rationality.
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Gee, thanks, Uncle Charles.
| Quote: | .......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
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"My man"?
| Quote: | I disagree you are neutral, though. Since you have never launched even
a minor tirade against the man, as is only reasonable now and again,
at least as I see it, I have to consider you a fan.
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No, you have to consider me neutral: neither fan nor foe.
| Quote: | ..........Surely, we can't
list you, on this score, with Franke, Simon, Rey, Richard F, Bob C,
the new Fran, or myself, for the reason given.
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No need to list me at all. And where *are* Simon and Franke?
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:42 pm
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:55:26 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:13:19 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@eircom.net
wrote:
You have a point when it comes to that particular Briticism, for I
don't think there is a true equivalent in AmE. "What are you talking
about?" doesn't quite do it. Perhaps Coop should be allowed to get
away with this one in AUE, although I doubt if it'd fly in Orlando.
I'll continue to put my foot down, though, when it comes to such words
as "lift" and "anticlockwise" from the pen of the Coop, probably an
invitation for him to pepper his next ten hundred posts with them.
Sometimes I do see some conflict in choosing words. I would not say
"The lift in the hotel I stayed in in Chicago creaked and bumped as it
rose." However, if I was describing a similar apparatus in my hotel
in London, I think that "lift" is appropriate. Not necessary, but
appropriate.
The conflict is more apparent in "tube" vs "subway". Hoosier or not,
straw in my hair or not, I use the tube in London. I go to a tube
station and use the tube to get to my destination. Same with "pub"
and "bar".
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I agree on both counts.
| Quote: | I don't labor over these decisions here and labour over them in
London, but using the local term for objects is perfectly OK in my
mind.
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*When* in Rome, do..., yes, but when posting from Orlando, Florida,
USA, wouldn't one do as Americans do?
| Quote: | The OKness fades with minor objects, though. I know to look for a
hire-car firm in the UK, but I rent a car. I place my luggage in the
trunk but I may stop at a boot sale on the way. When I return the
car, I may point out that the off-side wing was damaged when I picked
the car up, but I checked the fenders for damage when I picked up the
car.
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It can become confusing. I can't bring myself, for example, to say "in
hospital", but I have no problem with "hire a car" and less so with
"boot". I'm not sure a taxi man would know what I was talking about if
I asked him to open the trunk, so practical issues must take
precedence at times.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:42 pm
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:02:55 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:13:19 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@eircom.net
wrote:
How do you explain the fact you "react" to alleged English errors in
my posts roughly one hundred times more often than you do to errors in
Coop's posts?
This somehow reminds me of the discussion where someone says that
there are 100 times more black people in prisons than white people,
and the reply is "That's because black people commit crimes 100 times
more frequently than white people."
I have to consider you a member of Coop's fan club on
the "Those who aren't with me are against me" principle,
This would be understood as "Anyone that doesn't support Charles is
automatically a member of Coop's fan club". That's hardly the case.
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Those generally opposed to Charles are more likely to be members of
Coop's fan club than those who view Charles in a favourable light.
How's that?
By the way, I retract my comma after "principle". It's surprising
no-one commented on the error, Skitt especially, glaring as it was.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:42 pm
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:09:18 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:50:43 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
.......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
"My man"?
Charles is stealing my Hiberno-Whateverisms.
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"My"? I live in Ireland, Coop -- have done for over 10 years. I'm
entitled to use Hiberno-English. The Irish agree with me on this,
although they won't allow me to call myself Irish, even though I'm
half so and have Irish papers. I suppose that is only right.
| Quote: | "Your man", or "Yer man"
as it is pronounced, is a common way to refer to someone in Ireland.
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Not always pronounced the uneducated way. Seldom so in Dublin, I'd
say.
| Quote: | It doesn't have the same meaning as "your man" does here.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:42 pm
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:48:11 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
"Skitt" wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
I don't think "Coop" -- or anyone -- expected to see my name on the
membership list of any TC fan club there might be. I'm neutral on
TC: both nice and not-so-nice to him, depending on what he's
posted. (Does that make me wishy-washy? No answers, please.)
That's exactly how I am. I react to posts, not to what I imagine
people might be like. Granted, there are some posters whose
material often makes me quit reading it after just a casual glance.
I'm not into hobbyhorses much.
How do you explain the fact you "react" to alleged English errors in
my posts roughly one hundred times more often than you do to errors in
Coop's posts?
Say what? I have reacted to a missing or extra comma in your posts from
time to time, and I have done the same with Coop's posts. More often with
Coop's, I'd say.
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I'll start my counter.
| Quote: | I have to consider you a member of Coop's fan club on
the "Those who aren't with me are against me" principle, Matti isn't
fond of, but then he could well be another member -- hard to pin the
fellow down on anything, but I think he leans in that direction.
Well, I hate to say this, but your crusade against Coop is getting to be a
bit boring.
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Like I've never heard that opinion before, but spoken like a true fan,
Skitt.
| Quote: | You have become one of the posters whose posts I often threat
with only a cursory glance nowadays. Life's too short to read something
that is repetitive, negative (not buddha-like), and has nothing to do with
me.
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Completely in the Buddhist tradition, my
friend-who'd-now-prefer-not-to-be-one, apparently. Buddha strongly
suggested we associate only with those at least as good as ourselves,
avoiding, if possible, the rest. It is virtually impossible to avoid
quoted pieces of Coop's posts if one is to read AUE at all, so I do
the next best thing and attempt to make him a better man by
concentrating on his posts in the original. I believe that with the
help from me and from some others, he is making progress. I say that
not entirely tongue in cheek, but quite sincerely.
No-one is forcing you or anyone else to read my posts, Alec. If I can
entertain or inform even one person here, I am satisfied. As for how I
react to TC's or anyone's comments, I'm a grown man and I do what I
do; that's that, like it or not. I afford you the same freedom, along
with an absence of advice.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:42 pm
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:50:43 GMT, "Maria Conlon"
<maria.c-b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
Maria Conlon wrote:
I don't think "Coop" -- or anyone -- expected to see my name on the
membership list of any TC fan club there might be. I'm neutral on TC:
both nice and not-so-nice to him, depending on what he's posted.
(Does that make me wishy-washy? No answers, please.)
No, Maria, that does not make you wishy-washy, it indicates
rationality.
Gee, thanks, Uncle Charles.
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This is my reward after I compliment you?
| Quote: | .......Since it is impossible to accept much of what Coop posts,
objections are in order. I think Coop even enjoys them, so you're
playing into his hands both when you agree with him and when you
disagree with him. Your man enjoys attention -- that much is clear.
"My man"?
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In the Hibernian-English sense. Had your coffee?
| Quote: | I disagree you are neutral, though. Since you have never launched even
a minor tirade against the man, as is only reasonable now and again,
at least as I see it, I have to consider you a fan.
No, you have to consider me neutral: neither fan nor foe.
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I *have* to?
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..........Surely, we can't
list you, on this score, with Franke, Simon, Rey, Richard F, Bob C,
the new Fran, or myself, for the reason given.
No need to list me at all.
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For the reason given, as I said, which was why I said it.
| Quote: | And where *are* Simon and Franke?
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I miss them both. And don't forget Jan, one of our better men if not
one of our happiest.
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Chris Malcolm
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:46 pm
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Weatherlawyer <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I just read a Michael Moor article about an infamous missing
president/link, loading all the top Washington jobs with his cronies.
Is there a more descriptive term for people who are given these jobs
for their loyalty more than their ability? What is the term for a
person who takes on a sinecure?
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Note that there could be other reasons for appointing
incompetents. For example, it creates a useful buffer of morons you
can sack when things go wrong. In these cases the job looks like a
friendly sinecure until the shit hits the hurricane.
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Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:33 pm
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Dena Jo <me@privacy.net> writes:
| Quote: | On 01 Oct 2005, Sara Lorimer posted thus:
I'm particularly annoyed by Americans who say "Nicaragua" as if
they were gargling
I had to think about that for a second.
So I'm assuming the gargling pronounciation is Neek-a-RRRAH-wah, as
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If they actually roll the R, they're not even aiming for the right
Spanish pronunciation. The rolled vs. tapped R is phonemic in
Spanish, and that one should be a tap.
| Quote: | opposed to the more customary American pronunciation,
Neek-uh-RAH-gwa,
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That's /nIk/ ("nik").
| Quote: | or the really offensive[1] British version, Nik-uh-RAG-gyu-uh.
[1] At least to my ears...
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I'm not sure I'd call it offensive, but it always sounds bizarre to
me.
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Robin Bignall
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
<mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:22 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
we must work in widely diverging circles.
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
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Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:52 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:18:39 +0100, Robin Bignall
<docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:27:14 +0100, Peter Duncanson
mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:31:22 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
we must work in widely diverging circles.
That triggered a memory of "Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils"
as taught by an old conger-eel. (Alice in Wonderland)
Wasn't it Reeling, Writhing and Fainting in coils? And the various
branches of arithmetic: Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and
Derision.
That's what I thought. However, I googled and found the version I |
quoted. I'm still kerflummoxed.
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