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Pete
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:46 pm
Post subject: "lyrical I" vs. "lyrical ego" |
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Hi everybody!
Are the terms "lyrical I" and "lyrical ego" used 100%-synonymously?
If so, which is more common?
If not, what is the difference?
Thanks for your help!
Pete
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:17 am
Post subject: Re: "lyrical I" vs. "lyrical ego" |
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"Pete" <wolffpeter@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:dh6gdq$gl0$02$1@news.t-online.com...
| Quote: | Are the terms "lyrical I" and "lyrical ego" used 100%-synonymously?
If so, which is more common?
If not, what is the difference?
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Latin Ego = English I so they might possibly be synonymous
-- but understanding the full meaning requires seeing the
full context (sentence or paragraph.)
Adjective Lyrical used to be a compliment: but this has
fallen out of fashion in the last 20 or 40 years --- hence
the importance of context, so we can see whether
the writer is aware of this.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
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Pete
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:40 pm
Post subject: Re: "lyrical I" vs. "lyrical ego" |
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There is no context yet because I want to use the term to refer to "the
narrator" of a poem. And for that, there seem to be two options.
"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:VbDZe.3836$5I2.14739@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
| Quote: | "Pete" <wolffpeter@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:dh6gdq$gl0$02$1@news.t-online.com...
Are the terms "lyrical I" and "lyrical ego" used 100%-synonymously?
If so, which is more common?
If not, what is the difference?
Latin Ego = English I so they might possibly be synonymous
-- but understanding the full meaning requires seeing the
full context (sentence or paragraph.)
Adjective Lyrical used to be a compliment: but this has
fallen out of fashion in the last 20 or 40 years --- hence
the importance of context, so we can see whether
the writer is aware of this.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:48 am
Post subject: Re: "lyrical I" vs. "lyrical ego" |
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"Pete" <wolffpeter@t-online.de> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There is no context yet because I want to use the term to refer to "the
narrator" of a poem. And for that, there seem to be two options.
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Oh: as posted earlier:
| Quote: | Adjective Lyrical used to be a compliment: but this has
fallen out of fashion in the last 20 or 40 years . . .
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So it would be quite correct to call the author of certain
types of poems (lyrics, as thus defined by classical
scholars) "lyrical" -- but any other use of the adjective,
e.g. as a compliment, seems too risky. It would
require a "back story" about the relations between
the author of your narrative and the poet in your story.
Lyrical I and Lyrical Ego seem equally unsuitable in all
contexts suggested so far.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:47 pm
Post subject: Re: "lyrical I" vs. "lyrical ego" |
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Don Phillipson wrote:
| Quote: | "Pete" <wolffpeter@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:dh90tu$7ds$01$1@news.t-online.com...
There is no context yet because I want to use the term to refer to
"the narrator" of a poem. And for that, there seem to be two
options.
Oh: as posted earlier:
Adjective Lyrical used to be a compliment: but this has
fallen out of fashion in the last 20 or 40 years . . .
So it would be quite correct to call the author of certain
types of poems (lyrics, as thus defined by classical
scholars) "lyrical" -- but any other use of the adjective,
e.g. as a compliment, seems too risky. It would
require a "back story" about the relations between
the author of your narrative and the poet in your story.
Lyrical I and Lyrical Ego seem equally unsuitable in all
contexts suggested so far.
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Using "ego" would be absurd. "The speaker" or "the narrator" would be
good enough in most cases. I have seen things like "The 'I' of the
first line says..." and "It is hard to decide whether the 'I' is to
be taken as the poet himself...", and in context there's nothing
wrong with it.
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Mike. |
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