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NYC XYZ
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:45 am
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You gotta laugh! "Sashimi on you, feds tell eatery"....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/349013p-297787c.html
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A Japanese buffet restaurant on Long Island broke the law by enforcing
an "English only" rule for Chinese employees - but not for Spanish- and
Korean-speaking workers, the feds charged yesterday.
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The Chinese workers were berated by a manager yelling, "Stop ...
speaking Chinese," and "One word and you're fired!" according to the
federal complaint.
"It is the commission's position that a blanket English-only language
rule, especially one that applies unfairly and to only one ethnic group
and that is not justified by business necessity, is a violation of
federal employment discrimination laws," said Spencer Lewis Jr.,
director of the EEOC's New York office.
Worker Zuo Zhou Lin was fired after protesting the policy. Other
workers who complained suffered retaliation, the suit says.
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:36 am
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127504752.952560.61920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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You gotta laugh! "Sashimi on you, feds tell eatery"....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/349013p-297787c.html
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A Japanese buffet restaurant on Long Island broke the law by enforcing
an "English only" rule for Chinese employees - but not for Spanish- and
Korean-speaking workers, the feds charged yesterday.
...
The Chinese workers were berated by a manager yelling, "Stop ...
speaking Chinese," and "One word and you're fired!" according to the
federal complaint.
"It is the commission's position that a blanket English-only language
rule, especially one that applies unfairly and to only one ethnic group
and that is not justified by business necessity, is a violation of
federal employment discrimination laws," said Spencer Lewis Jr.,
director of the EEOC's New York office.
Worker Zuo Zhou Lin was fired after protesting the policy. Other
workers who complained suffered retaliation, the suit says.
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English only work rules have been upheld by courts on many an occasion, the
trouble here is they are only picking on the Chinese workers. |
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drydem
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:11 pm
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ray o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127504752.952560.61920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You gotta laugh! "Sashimi on you, feds tell eatery"....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/349013p-297787c.html
EXCERPTS
A Japanese buffet restaurant on Long Island broke the law by enforcing
an "English only" rule for Chinese employees - but not for Spanish- and
Korean-speaking workers, the feds charged yesterday.
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Selective policy/pattern of enforcement of the law to
harass or oppress persons for selected nationalities or
ethnicities would racial discrimination under the
"color of law" and thus constitutionally illegal.
| Quote: | ...
The Chinese workers were berated by a manager yelling, "Stop ...
speaking Chinese," and "One word and you're fired!" according to the
federal complaint.
"It is the commission's position that a blanket English-only language
rule, especially one that applies unfairly and to only one ethnic group
and that is not justified by business necessity, is a violation of
federal employment discrimination laws," said Spencer Lewis Jr.,
director of the EEOC's New York office.
Worker Zuo Zhou Lin was fired after protesting the policy. Other
workers who complained suffered retaliation, the suit says.
English only work rules have been upheld by courts on many an occasion, the
trouble here is they are only picking on the Chinese workers.
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The application of english only work rules is limited
because one needs to prove that there is a overriding
and compelling public safety rationale for its enforcement
which would override a citizen's constitutional right
freedom of expression, equal protection under the law,
and the implicit right to use another language other
than english ( all rights not explicitly declare in the
constitution by the government implicitly belong to the
public/citizen. The government is required to shows a
compeliing reason to take those rights away ).
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:48 pm
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"drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1127639497.669568.202980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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ray o'hara wrote:
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127504752.952560.61920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You gotta laugh! "Sashimi on you, feds tell eatery"....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/349013p-297787c.html
EXCERPTS
A Japanese buffet restaurant on Long Island broke the law by enforcing
an "English only" rule for Chinese employees - but not for Spanish-
and
Korean-speaking workers, the feds charged yesterday.
Selective policy/pattern of enforcement of the law to
harass or oppress persons for selected nationalities or
ethnicities would racial discrimination under the
"color of law" and thus constitutionally illegal.
...
The Chinese workers were berated by a manager yelling, "Stop ...
speaking Chinese," and "One word and you're fired!" according to the
federal complaint.
"It is the commission's position that a blanket English-only language
rule, especially one that applies unfairly and to only one ethnic
group
and that is not justified by business necessity, is a violation of
federal employment discrimination laws," said Spencer Lewis Jr.,
director of the EEOC's New York office.
Worker Zuo Zhou Lin was fired after protesting the policy. Other
workers who complained suffered retaliation, the suit says.
English only work rules have been upheld by courts on many an occasion,
the
trouble here is they are only picking on the Chinese workers.
The application of english only work rules is limited
because one needs to prove that there is a overriding
and compelling public safety rationale for its enforcement
which would override a citizen's constitutional right
freedom of expression, equal protection under the law,
and the implicit right to use another language other
than english ( all rights not explicitly declare in the
constitution by the government implicitly belong to the
public/citizen. The government is required to shows a
compeliing reason to take those rights away ).
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The English only rules have been upheld because people talking in a foreign
language makes those who don't know that language uncomfortable. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:44 pm
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| Isn't that place run by South Koreans!??? |
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bitter anko
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:58 pm
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NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mexicans are usually working as dishwashers inside the kitchen, and they
won't appear in the front of customers, so they thought it's ok to allow
them to speak Spanish, I think. |
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NYC XYZ
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:36 pm
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goodgut...@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Isn't that place run by South Koreans!???
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Hmm! Well, then again, Koreans are often anti-Chinese, too, what with
Chinese views that Koreans are just really Chinese: my father, from the
mainland, actually says this to Koreans as some kind of ice-breaker! I
think he means a kind of "solidarity" by it, but I can well imagine
many taking umbrage and finding him offensive! |
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NYC XYZ
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:38 pm
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bitter anko wrote:
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Mexicans are usually working as dishwashers inside the kitchen, and they
won't appear in the front of customers, so they thought it's ok to allow
them to speak Spanish, I think.
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Very interesting!
This would be the most plausible explanation, giving the managers the
benefit of the doubt. I can understand how they might not want any
foreign languages spoken by staff that deal with the public, a mostly
white public (not that they're necessarily racist, but just so that
they feel "comfortable"), if it turns out that such staff are indeed
only Chinese-speakers. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:09 pm
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On 26 Sep 2005 06:38:35 -0700, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com>
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bitter anko wrote:
Mexicans are usually working as dishwashers inside the kitchen, and they
won't appear in the front of customers, so they thought it's ok to allow
them to speak Spanish, I think.
Very interesting!
This would be the most plausible explanation, giving the managers the
benefit of the doubt. I can understand how they might not want any
foreign languages spoken by staff that deal with the public, a mostly
white public (not that they're necessarily racist, but just so that
they feel "comfortable"), if it turns out that such staff are indeed
only Chinese-speakers.
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It's quite common for customers to feel that employees that chatter in
their own language are "talking about" the customers or making fun of
them. The TV show "Seinfeld" had an episode on this where Elaine was
convinced that the nail technicians were talking about her in Korean.
She took a Korean-speaking person to the shop, and - sure enough -
they were making fun of her.
My wife works in a place where about half the employees are Spanish
speakers. The non-Spanish speakers are uneasy in some situations and
think that the Spanish-speakers are saying things among themselves
that they would not say in English around the other employees.
I think the resentment is more about mild paranoia than it is about
racism.
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Tony Cooper
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bitter anko
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:55 pm
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NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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bitter anko wrote:
Mexicans are usually working as dishwashers inside the kitchen, and they
won't appear in the front of customers, so they thought it's ok to allow
them to speak Spanish, I think.
Very interesting!
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If Chinese folks were working as waiters or waitresses, they should not
speak Chinese. Many customers would feel uncomfortable about the language
the customers can not understand. Some customer may think that they are
talking about bad things about customers. Restaurants should not give an
unnecessary worry to customer, and they should try to let the customer enjoy
the meals without any fear |
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Spehro Pefhany
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:23 pm
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:09:55 GMT, the renowned Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It's quite common for customers to feel that employees that chatter in
their own language are "talking about" the customers or making fun of
them. The TV show "Seinfeld" had an episode on this where Elaine was
convinced that the nail technicians were talking about her in Korean.
She took a Korean-speaking person to the shop, and - sure enough -
they were making fun of her.
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Below is a link to a transcript of that particular episode.
http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheUnderstudy.html
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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NYC XYZ
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:27 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
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It's quite common for customers to feel that employees that chatter in
their own language are "talking about" the customers or making fun of
them. The TV show "Seinfeld" had an episode on this where Elaine was
convinced that the nail technicians were talking about her in Korean.
She took a Korean-speaking person to the shop, and - sure enough -
they were making fun of her.
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I found "Seinfeld" really, really lame. I can't imagine why it's so
successful. I'm curious, though -- did they ever have any "Jewish
situations" on that show?
| Quote: | My wife works in a place where about half the employees are Spanish
speakers. The non-Spanish speakers are uneasy in some situations and
think that the Spanish-speakers are saying things among themselves
that they would not say in English around the other employees.
I think the resentment is more about mild paranoia than it is about
racism.
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Indeed! Maybe it's to do with a guilty conscience? =)
| Quote: | --
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL |
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:37 am
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ray o'hara wrote:
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"drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1127639497.669568.202980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
ray o'hara wrote:
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127504752.952560.61920@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You gotta laugh! "Sashimi on you, feds tell eatery"....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/349013p-297787c.html
EXCERPTS
A Japanese buffet restaurant on Long Island broke the law by
enforcing an "English only" rule for Chinese employees - but
not for Spanish-
and
Korean-speaking workers, the feds charged yesterday.
Selective policy/pattern of enforcement of the law to
harass or oppress persons for selected nationalities or
ethnicities would racial discrimination under the
"color of law" and thus constitutionally illegal.
...
The Chinese workers were berated by a manager yelling, "Stop ...
speaking Chinese," and "One word and you're fired!" according
to the federal complaint.
"It is the commission's position that a blanket English-only
language rule, especially one that applies unfairly and to only
one ethnic
group
and that is not justified by business necessity, is a violation
of federal employment discrimination laws," said Spencer Lewis
Jr., director of the EEOC's New York office.
Worker Zuo Zhou Lin was fired after protesting the policy. Other
workers who complained suffered retaliation, the suit says.
English only work rules have been upheld by courts on many an
occasion,
the
trouble here is they are only picking on the Chinese workers.
The application of english only work rules is limited
because one needs to prove that there is a overriding
and compelling public safety rationale for its enforcement
which would override a citizen's constitutional right
freedom of expression, equal protection under the law,
and the implicit right to use another language other
than english ( all rights not explicitly declare in the
constitution by the government implicitly belong to the
public/citizen. The government is required to shows a
compeliing reason to take those rights away ).
The English only rules have been upheld because people talking in a
foreign language makes those who don't know that language
uncomfortable.
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'Kin 'ell. Can you enforce this on my ESL students please Ray?
DC |
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:49 am
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On 26 Sep 2005 06:38:35 -0700, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com
wrote:
bitter anko wrote:
Mexicans are usually working as dishwashers inside the kitchen,
and they >> won't appear in the front of customers, so they thought
it's ok to allow >> them to speak Spanish, I think.
Very interesting!
This would be the most plausible explanation, giving the managers
the benefit of the doubt. I can understand how they might not want
any foreign languages spoken by staff that deal with the public, a
mostly white public (not that they're necessarily racist, but just
so that they feel "comfortable"), if it turns out that such staff
are indeed only Chinese-speakers.
It's quite common for customers to feel that employees that chatter in
their own language are "talking about" the customers or making fun of
them.
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Shock horror! Surely such a thing would never happen! Surely there
was never a time in the early 80s when I and the future Mrs Cat found
ourselves teaching English at a private institute in Athens Greece, in
which (bizarrely) the locally employed 'English Teachers' couldn't
actually speak English? And there surely wasn't a moment in which I
turned to her and said of one of the more obnoxious teachers, while in
that teacher's presence and offering her a broad grin:-
"I feel strongly that the firm application of a Wellington Boot to our
colleague's posterior would be entirely appropriate".
Nah. Never happened.
DC |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:57 am
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NYC XYZ wrote:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
It's quite common for customers to feel that employees that chatter in
their own language are "talking about" the customers or making fun of
them. The TV show "Seinfeld" had an episode on this where Elaine was
convinced that the nail technicians were talking about her in Korean.
She took a Korean-speaking person to the shop, and - sure enough -
they were making fun of her.
I found "Seinfeld" really, really lame. I can't imagine why it's so
successful.
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It's so successful because many millions find it funny. You don't
have to please everybody in the world to have a successful TV show.
| Quote: | I'm curious, though -- did they ever have any "Jewish
situations" on that show?
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I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll assume you're asking if the
characters behave at times in ways identifiably Jewish. I have my own
views on the topic, but here's an article that says it far better than
I could: <http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/970905/tv.shtml>. It
covers a lot more ground than just Seinfeld. As for "Jewish
situations," you can't get much more Jewish than a bris, which occurs
in one of the episodes. As for Elaine's and George's denials that
they are Jewish, I consider that a cop-out. The actors are both
Jewish, and they play the characters as Jewish. (Kramer might as well
be from Mars.)
My wife is from the Bronx, and almost her entire family is from
somewhere in New York. I recognize them in much of what occurs in
Seinfeld. Whether this is because they're Jewish or just because
they're from New York is sometimes hard to sort out, but plenty of the
plot lines in the show wouldn't work as well if the characters didn't
act Jewish. As but one example, no non-Jewish New Yorker would obsess
over a marble rye.
Don't believe everything you see on TV.
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Bob Lieblich
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