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Michael Hamm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:07 am
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| What connects St Athan with oranges? |
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Areff
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:30 am
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Michael Hamm wrote:
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Rugby. |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:28 pm
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Michael Hamm filted:
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
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Same thing that connects both with aprons: they've had their initial N's taken
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:41 pm
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What connects St Athan with oranges?
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RAF St Athan in Glamorgan was one of the main airfields
used to supply the Berlin Air Lift in, when was it, 1949-50?
Fresh fruit, including oranges, were one of the most important
constituents of the supplies.
Philip Eden |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:19 pm
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"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
RAF St Athan in Glamorgan was one of the main airfields
used to supply the Berlin Air Lift in, when was it, 1949-50?
Fresh fruit, including oranges, were one of the most important
constituents of the supplies.
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One of my favorite movies, made in 1950, and
"Filmed on location, The Big Lift is a reenactment of the Berlin airlift of
1948. Flexing their postwar muscles, the Russians blockade the Western
sector, refusing to allow the Allies to ship supplies to the starving
Berliners." |
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:54 am
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What connects St Athan with oranges?
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There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
Philip Eden |
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:38 am
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"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
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I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Adrian
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Rich Ragan
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:05 am
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What connects St Athan with oranges?
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The phonetic alphabet used at St.Athan during the war was likely to have
used "orange" for the letter O.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/RAF%20phonetic%20alphabet
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:04 am
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| Quote: | "Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Well, let me piggy-back on RHD's answer. |
"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Philip Eden |
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:06 pm
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:04:29 +0100, "Philip Eden"
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"Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Well, let me piggy-back on RHD's answer.
"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
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Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
Jitze |
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Jeffrey Turner
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:11 pm
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:04:29 +0100, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
"Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote:
What connects St Athan with oranges?
There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Well, let me piggy-back on RHD's answer.
"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
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Good job of umpiring that one.
--Jeff
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Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:29 am
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:11:23 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
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So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
Good job of umpiring that one.
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Nice! I wasn't aware of that example.
Jitze |
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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couperus-eschew-this@znet.com (Jitze Couperus) writes:
| Quote: | On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:04:29 +0100, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
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Hold it a second. This would seem to imply that the commonality is
that each resulted in a misdivision in English, with "a norange"
becoming "an orange" (as happened with "apron", "adder", and
"umpire"). But "orange" had already lost its "n" before it got near
English. The OED traces it back through Middle French "orenge" to
Italian "arancio". MWCD11 takes it through Anglo-French "orrange",
"araunge" to Old Occitan "auranja". By either route it had already
lost the "n", and it's not obvious that it was via misdivision in
those languages.
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Michael Hamm
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:12 am
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Evan Kirshenbaum wrote, in part:
| Quote: | Hold it a second. This would seem to imply that the commonality is
that each resulted in a misdivision in English, with "a norange"
becoming "an orange" (as happened with "apron", "adder", and
"umpire"). But "orange" had already lost its "n" before it got near
English.
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The TO answer is:
# Reanalysis, misdivision: Athan is sometimes Tathan, and oranges are
# elsewhere naranja.
Michael Hamm
AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis
msh210@math.wustl.edu Fine print:
http://www.math.wustl.edu/~msh210/ ... legal.html |
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Jerry Friedman
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:01 am
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:04:29 +0100, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
"Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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"Michael Hamm" <msh210@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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What connects St Athan with oranges?
There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Well, let me piggy-back on RHD's answer.
"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
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Here is your undivided Cormo, with an eft as a bonus.
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Jerry Friedman, T. O. Sheepwrangler |
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