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Nick
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:20 pm
Post subject: 'Spartacus' (1960) starring Kirk Douglas! |
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********************** SPOILER!!! *******************
A *very* moving ending - leastwise it *used* to be, but the memory of
Eric Idle *pervades*!
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Nick
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:24 pm
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Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup! :-o
Nick |
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:22 pm
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In article news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Nick wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
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I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the fact
that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as "Sparticus",
For some reason, that jarred.
(Brits would, I suspect, have produced something between "Spartacus" and
"Spartucus").
Cheers,
Daniel.
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John Dean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:50 pm
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Daniel James wrote:
| Quote: | In article
news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Nick
wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the
fact that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as
"Sparticus",
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Spardicus, Shirley?
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John Dean
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:20 am
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"Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message
news:VA.00000c43.4128e013@nospam.aaisp.org...
| Quote: | In article news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Nick wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the fact
that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as "Sparticus",
For some reason, that jarred.
(Brits would, I suspect, have produced something between "Spartacus" and
"Spartucus").
Cheers,
Daniel.
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Just don't confuse the movie with any type of factual history. |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:06 am
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ray o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message
news:VA.00000c43.4128e013@nospam.aaisp.org...
In article
news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Nick
wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the
fact that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as
"Sparticus", For some reason, that jarred.
(Brits would, I suspect, have produced something between "Spartacus"
and "Spartucus").
Just don't confuse the movie with any type of factual history.
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I don't see what's wrong with confusing it with the factual history of
the Third Servile War when a slave named or called Spartacus broke out
of a gladiator training school in 73 BC as part of a group of gladiators
and became the leader of a growing army of slaves in revolt, led the
army to victory over several Roman legions over two years but was
ultimately defeated, after being betrayed by Cilician pirates, by Roman
forces under Marcus Licinius Crassus who arranged for several thousand
of the captured slaves to be crucified along the Appian way. It's all
in Plutarch.
The stuff about snails and oysters, of course, isn't.
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John Dean
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:01 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:dgi794$f5h$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Quote: | ray o'hara wrote:
"Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message
news:VA.00000c43.4128e013@nospam.aaisp.org...
In article
news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Nick
wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the
fact that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as
"Sparticus", For some reason, that jarred.
(Brits would, I suspect, have produced something between "Spartacus"
and "Spartucus").
Just don't confuse the movie with any type of factual history.
I don't see what's wrong with confusing it with the factual history of
the Third Servile War when a slave named or called Spartacus broke out
of a gladiator training school in 73 BC as part of a group of gladiators
and became the leader of a growing army of slaves in revolt, led the
army to victory over several Roman legions over two years but was
ultimately defeated, after being betrayed by Cilician pirates, by Roman
forces under Marcus Licinius Crassus who arranged for several thousand
of the captured slaves to be crucified along the Appian way. It's all
in Plutarch.
The stuff about snails and oysters, of course, isn't.
--
John Dean
Oxford
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In those days gladiators didn't fight to the death, that was an Imperial
practice. Pompey Magnus was a very young man at the time and not at all like
he was portrayed by Olivier. |
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:17 pm
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In article news:<E8Kdnbk1gc0G8bHenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Ray o'hara
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| Quote: | Just don't confuse the movie with any type of factual history.
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That's the trouble with movies (or "films" as I still call them), you start
to think that any "history" you thought you knew must be false, because it
is in a film ... when actually some films include some real history among
the fiction, to keep you on your toes.
Cheers,
Daniel. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:57 pm
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | Daniel James wrote:
In article
news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Nick
wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the
fact that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as
"Sparticus",
Spardicus, Shirley?
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Spotticuss, ekchuhlly
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:21 pm
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ray o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:dgi794$f5h$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
ray o'hara wrote:
"Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message
news:VA.00000c43.4128e013@nospam.aaisp.org...
In article
news:<1126517093.963954.253020@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Nick
wrote:
Sorry folks - wrong newsgroup!
I only saw the trailer (this time) but I was unable to overlook the
fact that the (American) actors pronounced the name "Spartacus" as
"Sparticus", For some reason, that jarred.
(Brits would, I suspect, have produced something between
"Spartacus" and "Spartucus").
Just don't confuse the movie with any type of factual history.
I don't see what's wrong with confusing it with the factual history
of the Third Servile War when a slave named or called Spartacus
broke out of a gladiator training school in 73 BC as part of a group
of gladiators and became the leader of a growing army of slaves in
revolt, led the army to victory over several Roman legions over two
years but was ultimately defeated, after being betrayed by Cilician
pirates, by Roman forces under Marcus Licinius Crassus who arranged
for several thousand of the captured slaves to be crucified along
the Appian way. It's all in Plutarch.
The stuff about snails and oysters, of course, isn't.
--
John Dean
Oxford
In those days gladiators didn't fight to the death, that was an
Imperial practice. Pompey Magnus was a very young man at the time and
not at all like he was portrayed by Olivier.
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However, Olivier was playing Marcus Licinius Crassus. Crassus was in his
40s at the time of the Third Servile War and Olivier was in his 50s when
they made the film. But they can do wonders with make up.
Pompey don't serve in the movie.
I dunno what you mean by "in those days". Gladiators were first recorded
fighting to the death in funeral games of the third century BC.
There are, of course, no gladiatorial contests in the public arena in
the movie [1]. There are two contests in the private arena at the
training school, paid for by Crassus who could, presumably, have
whatever he wanted.
[1] Spoilers for the movie here. Read no further if you haven't seen it
but might want to.
The absence of public contests for Spartacus and his chums or, indeed,
of any reference to them, makes something of a nonsense of the hype in
the trailer "Spartacus ... slave, gladiator, invincible fighter" since
a) Spartacus never fought officially as a gladiator and b) in his only
unofficial contest he lost hands down [2]
[2] Not, of course, thumbs down. "pollice verso" and all that.
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John Dean
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