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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:22 pm
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"Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | And, if I may point out as knight errant before those here present,
have done so from time immemorial ...
Bloody Normans.
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Real or imagined, King Arthur and the Knights of the
Round Table antedated by centuries the arriival of
Norman knights in England.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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Dana Carpender
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:52 pm
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Don Phillipson wrote:
| Quote: | "Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
news:Z7qTe.312397$x96.166671@attbi_s72...
And, if I may point out as knight errant before those here present,
have done so from time immemorial ...
Bloody Normans.
Real or imagined, King Arthur and the Knights of the
Round Table antedated by centuries the arriival of
Norman knights in England.
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Yes, yes, I know that.
Why the hell is AFCA cross-posted to this bunch of pedants anyway? It
was a *joke*.
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artyw2@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:12 pm
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Dana Carpender wrote:
| Quote: | Why the hell is AFCA cross-posted to this bunch of pedants anyway? It
was a *joke*.
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Me a culp a. I thought it would be of interest to both groups and was
too lazy to post the question twice.
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Charles Bishop
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:34 pm
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In article <ZeYTe.316573$x96.186410@attbi_s72>, Dana Carpender
<dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Don Phillipson wrote:
"Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
news:Z7qTe.312397$x96.166671@attbi_s72...
And, if I may point out as knight errant before those here present,
have done so from time immemorial ...
Bloody Normans.
Real or imagined, King Arthur and the Knights of the
Round Table antedated by centuries the arriival of
Norman knights in England.
Yes, yes, I know that.
Why the hell is AFCA cross-posted to this bunch of pedants anyway? It
was a *joke*.
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Oh, right, like there are no pedants in afc-a.
charles, especially ones that would point out you probably menat "in"
rather than "is"? |
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Dana Carpender
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:00 am
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:37:21 GMT Tony Cooper
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> posted:
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:06:25 GMT, ctbishop@earthlink.netttt (Charles
Bishop) wrote:
I was wondering-how much more trouble and money would it take to allow
refugees to bring pets with them? I can see pet owners being given maybe a
separate section, and the pets kept in kennels rather than with the rest
of the population.
I'd hate to be separated from my dog, but - at the same time - I don't
want to be in a shelter where someone's pit bull or Rottweiler could
get loose.
Neither would I.
You can't have a policy where this dog is admitted, but
that dog isn't.
Sure you can. We're not even talking about anti-terrorist checks
discriminating between Moslem-looking and not-looking people, or
between Moslems and not.
These are dogs, and cats (ok, you can leave all the cats.) and a few
other animals. They don't have civil rights. People who buy pit
bulls and Rottweilers have to anticipate that other people won't like
them. People who buy ferrets should maybe, i'm not sure, expect the
same difference in treatment.
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Except ferrets A) are little, and B) can easily and comfortably be caged.
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meirman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:00 am
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:06:25 GMT
ctbishop@earthlink.netttt (Charles Bishop) posted:
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I was wondering-how much more trouble and money would it take to allow
refugees to bring pets with them?
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That bothers me too.
I've never had a pet, but that's partly because I don't want to become
emotionally involved. I know that other owners are.
| Quote: | I can see pet owners being given maybe a
separate section, and the pets kept in kennels rather than with the rest
of the population.
This would help convince people to leave where, without their pets they
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Actually, a day or two ago, I heard that they were now letting people
bring their pets, for just that reason.
That leaves the ones who left earlier, without them, feeling worse
yet, I think.
And it proves what the ones who refused to leave may have thought. If
I stay with my pet, maybe something will work out.
| Quote: | might want to stay. It would also give them some deserved mental health
while they are relocated and make this easier for them. There will always
be volunteers to help with the pet section and their needs.
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ABsolutely.
| Quote: | I heard about a private citizen who chartered a helicoptor, filled with
pet food, then landed on the roof of a hospital where he offloaded it for
the man (people?) who were in the hospital taking care of animals after
the hospital had been abandoned. There were several dozens of dogs and
cats there.
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I saw on the ABC news tonight that hundreds have pet lovers have gone
to New Orleans to rescue pets. They were going in a canoe. They said
they had found 50. (Which is not a lot for hundreds, but maybe it
doesn't include all of them.)
s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage
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My English in this reply is colloquial, and may not always use full sentences.
For gosh sakes, when you ask a question, say what sort of English you are asking about.
When you give an answer, say in what part of the world you think your answer is valid.
If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Town NW of Pittsburgh Pa. 0 to 10 years | Brooklyn 12 years
Indianapolis 7 years | Now in
Chicago 6 years | Baltimore 22 years |
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meirman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:00 am
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In alt.english.usage on Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:37:21 GMT Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> posted:
| Quote: | On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:06:25 GMT, ctbishop@earthlink.netttt (Charles
Bishop) wrote:
I was wondering-how much more trouble and money would it take to allow
refugees to bring pets with them? I can see pet owners being given maybe a
separate section, and the pets kept in kennels rather than with the rest
of the population.
I'd hate to be separated from my dog, but - at the same time - I don't
want to be in a shelter where someone's pit bull or Rottweiler could
get loose.
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Neither would I.
| Quote: | You can't have a policy where this dog is admitted, but
that dog isn't.
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Sure you can. We're not even talking about anti-terrorist checks
discriminating between Moslem-looking and not-looking people, or
between Moslems and not.
These are dogs, and cats (ok, you can leave all the cats.) and a few
other animals. They don't have civil rights. People who buy pit
bulls and Rottweilers have to anticipate that other people won't like
them. People who buy ferrets should maybe, i'm not sure, expect the
same difference in treatment.
There's a proposal in a city council somewhere in the US now to
require the neutering of all pit bulls. (Maybe it has exceptions for
breeders, if there are any breeders in that city, or not) It's ok by
me.
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I'm not at all sure that I'd want to be the helicopter pilot or
airboat driver that has a terrified cat on board, either.
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s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage
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My English in this reply is colloquial, and may not always use full sentences.
For gosh sakes, when you ask a question, say what sort of English you are asking about.
When you give an answer, say in what part of the world you think your answer is valid.
If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
Town NW of Pittsburgh Pa. 0 to 10 years | Brooklyn 12 years
Indianapolis 7 years | Now in
Chicago 6 years | Baltimore 22 years |
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JoeTaxpayer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:00 am
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artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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see http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/transcripts_090905_refugee.html
While 'refugee' may literally be correct, it appears to have taken on a
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:27 pm
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"JoeTaxpayer" <JoeTaxpayer@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Not necessarily. The point is that international law
nowadays includes standard definitions for "refugees
from persecution" that most Western countries have
adopted as the gatekeeper for admitting political
refugees: and this particular meaning is so widely
discussed that it is too easy for us to suppose all
refugees are the same and fit this legal criterion,
which people displaced by flooding from Louisiana
to Texas obviously do not fit.
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Don Phillipson
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