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artyw2@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:16 am
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In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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Captain Infinity
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:20 am
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Once Upon A Time artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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"Temporary Guest Creoles"
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Arfur Million
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:25 am
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<artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125944202.134280.192040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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"Refugee" is fine. According to the NewSOED:
A person driven from his or her home to seek refuge, esp. in a foreign
country, from war, religious persecution, political troubles, natural
disaster, etc.; a displaced person.
Regards,
Arfur
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:27 am
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"artyw2@yahoo.com" wrote:
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In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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What do the dictionaries say?
refugee • noun a person who has been forced to leave their country in
order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
<http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/refugee?view=uk>
one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country
or power to escape danger or persecution.
<http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=refugee>
One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political
oppression, or religious persecution.
<http://www.bartleby.com/61/7/R0120700.html>
a person who has escaped from their own country for political,
religious or economic reasons or because of a war.
<http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=66432&dict=CALD>
a person who flees for refuge or safety, esp. to a foreign country, as
in time of political upheaval, war, etc.
<http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/refugee>
I'd say the usage is legitimate, even if not the primary meaning of
the word. I prefer it to "evacuee." You are free to disagree.
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Bob Lieblich
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:33 am
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"artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina.
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Post it as often as possible, just to annoy the git.
| Quote: | They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals.
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Like I said, git.
| Quote: | Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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Unless they have crossed an international border, they would technically
be "internally displaced people" rather than "refugees" according to
someone's definition (the UN?). Who cares.
Xho
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Dana Carpender
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:34 am
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artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
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I'm not sure why we're bothering to argue this at this point. I can
understand the objection to the word "loot" applied to black folks
picking stuff up, and "found" being applied to white folks picking stuff
up, but the "refugee" vs "evacuee" thing seems silly to me.
Dana
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Derek Wray
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:43 am
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"Captain Infinity" <Infinity@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Once Upon A Time artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should
only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
"Temporary Guest Creoles"
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Temporary? More than likely permanent. And of course in a matter of
months they'll be seen as a burden and as a bunch of foreigners
taking jobs and living off the state.
They will be called much worse than refugees before this one is
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Bob Geary
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:46 am
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"Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
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artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
I'm not sure why we're bothering to argue this at this point. I can
understand the objection to the word "loot" applied to black folks
picking stuff up, and "found" being applied to white folks picking
stuff
up, but the "refugee" vs "evacuee" thing seems silly to me.
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"Refugee" is just so Third World, I think is the problem. |
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:55 am
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"Bob Geary" <byobgeary@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
news:ed0Te.328804$xm3.170341@attbi_s21...
artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
I'm not sure why we're bothering to argue this at this point. I can
understand the objection to the word "loot" applied to black folks
picking stuff up, and "found" being applied to white folks picking
stuff
up, but the "refugee" vs "evacuee" thing seems silly to me.
"Refugee" is just so Third World, I think is the problem.
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Refugee hurts people pride and egos.It's just more of the differently abled
for andicapped type bull. |
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Charles Bishop
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:13 am
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Robert Lieblich <robert.lieblich@verizon.net> sigged:
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Bob Lieblich
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Refugee or evacuee?
charles, I'd suspect political persecution over in aue for misuse of ''s |
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Hactar
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:45 am
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In article <gMCdnbz1Duo2CYHeRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,
ray o'hara <roh@comcast.net> wrote:
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"Bob Geary" <byobgeary@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20050905144707.363$NK@news.newsreader.com...
"Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
news:ed0Te.328804$xm3.170341@attbi_s21...
artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
I'm not sure why we're bothering to argue this at this point. I can
understand the objection to the word "loot" applied to black folks
picking stuff up, and "found" being applied to white folks picking
stuff up, but the "refugee" vs "evacuee" thing seems silly to me.
"Refugee" is just so Third World, I think is the problem.
Refugee hurts people pride and egos.It's just more of the differently abled
for andicapped type bull.
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I use a wheelchair, and "differently abled" is a crock. "Differently
abled" my ass -- there's nothing I can do that can't be also done
(probably easier or neater) by a mature, stock human.
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-eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar
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Bill Van
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:54 am
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In article <20050905144707.363$NK@news.newsreader.com>,
"Bob Geary" <byobgeary@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Dana Carpender" <dcarpend@kivanospam.net> wrote in message
news:ed0Te.328804$xm3.170341@attbi_s21...
artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
I'm not sure why we're bothering to argue this at this point. I can
understand the objection to the word "loot" applied to black folks
picking stuff up, and "found" being applied to white folks picking
stuff
up, but the "refugee" vs "evacuee" thing seems silly to me.
"Refugee" is just so Third World, I think is the problem.
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So are the conditions around New Orleans, no? |
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Dana Carpender
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:15 am
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Hactar wrote:
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I use a wheelchair, and "differently abled" is a crock. "Differently
abled" my ass -- there's nothing I can do that can't be also done
(probably easier or neater) by a mature, stock human.
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I have yet to meet a person with a disability who likes the whole
"differently abled" "handicapable" crap. They'll simply say "I'm
disabled," "I'm blind," "I'm deaf," "I'm a quadraplegic," whatever.
They seem to consider the PC terminology happy-talk that attempts to
obviate the fact that there is, indeed, a problem that is being dealt
with on a day to day basis.
My sister started a program for what we then called "retarded children"
at the local Y when she was in high school. The experienced special ed
teacher who acted as her sponsor/advisor said of the term
"developmentally delayed," which was then just being proposed, "We
change our terminology every time parents realize that what we're saying
is that there is something wrong with their child."
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Nick Spalding
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:17 am
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Robert Lieblich wrote, in <431C8DFD.A00BDB2C@verizon.net>
on Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:27:09 -0400:
| Quote: | "artyw2@yahoo.com" wrote:
In another newsgroup, someone objected to the term "Refugee" to
describe those fleeing Katrina. They said that "Refugee" should only
refer to those displaced by war or other political upheavals. Is
"Refugee" the proper term or should we stick to "evacuee"?
What do the dictionaries say?
refugee • noun a person who has been forced to leave their country in
order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/refugee?view=uk
one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country
or power to escape danger or persecution.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=refugee
One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political
oppression, or religious persecution.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/7/R0120700.html
a person who has escaped from their own country for political,
religious or economic reasons or because of a war.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=66432&dict=CALD
a person who flees for refuge or safety, esp. to a foreign country, as
in time of political upheaval, war, etc.
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/refugee
I'd say the usage is legitimate, even if not the primary meaning of
the word. I prefer it to "evacuee." You are free to disagree.
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Evacuee to me has the connotation of someone who was got out of the way of the
disaster ahead of time. Used in the UK during the war for the many thousands of
children who were moved out of London ahead of the bombing.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:57 am
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Hactar <ebenONE@tampabay.are-are.com.unmunge> wrote:
| Quote: | I use a wheelchair, and "differently abled" is a crock. "Differently
abled" my ass -- there's nothing I can do that can't be also done
(probably easier or neater) by a mature, stock human.
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Plainly false! For example: I cannot hit people with my wheelchair,
because I do not have one. I'll bet you're much better at whacking
people in the shins than I am. And you can probably speak from a much
more informed viewpoint on the various ADA failures you've encountered
than I can. I've never driven a car with hand controls. ...the list goes
on and on.
You can claim for yourself whatever label you like - handicapped,
differently-abled, involuntarially-rolling-resistance-improved,
....Hactar (that last one seems to work well enough) - and most people
will probably respect that, but you are differently-abled.
We all are, really.
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Huey |
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