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Derek Baker
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:48 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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"Don Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote in message
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"Derek Baker" <me@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in message
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To explain what I want better: In this case what somebody would not
be getting is the position on someone else's death that they would
normally get. That is, the heir to the throne is not given the
throne on the king's
death.
Yes, this might be disinherit. But in the back of AEU
readers minds was probably that this can no longer
occur in real surviving monarchies. All Western monarchies
now have constitutions or laws which determine the succession,
i.e. monarchs can no longer choose their successors
(if they ever could: the Norman invasion of England
in 1066 turned in part on the claim that law governed
succession, not the last will of the defunct king.)
It could have occurred when parliament in England attempted to have
the Duke of York, heir to the throne, excluded from the succession.
Which is what I am writing about.
Which particular Duke of York is this?
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The one who went on to become James II.
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Derek
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:49 pm
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Derek Baker wrote:
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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Derek Baker wrote:
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It could have occurred when parliament in England attempted to
have
the Duke of York, heir to the throne, excluded from the
succession.
Which is what I am writing about.
Which particular Duke of York is this?
The one who went on to become James II.
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In that case, the word you've already used, "exclude", is probably
what you want, unless what you're doing is specifically finding
another form of words for it. (I'm sure you know without any help
from me that the expression "Exclusion Crisis" is used to refer to
what happened after the "Exclusion Bill".) If I were looking for
words to explain this sense of "Exclusion", I'd probably echo what
I've read: "bar him from the succession". The DNB doesn't bother to
explain it at all.
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:07 pm
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"Derek Baker" <me@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | It could have occurred when parliament in England attempted to have
the Duke of York, heir to the throne, excluded from the succession.
Which is what I am writing about.
Which particular Duke of York is this?
The one who went on to become James II.
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This is indeed one of the important precedents in
the British constitution viz. the 1680 Exclusion Bill
(to keep Catholic James Stuart off the throne) passed
by the Commons and defeated by the Lords.
James II succeeded under the common law of
primogeniture and immediately challenged penal
laws against Catholics by (1) appointing a known
Catholic to public office in 1686, (2) promulgating
the Declaration of Liberty of Conscience 1687.
James ruled only 1685-88 before he fled into exile
and was replaced on the throne by his (Protestant)
daughter Mary jointly with her husband Prince William of Orange.
Constitutional legislation 1689-90 (e.g. disqualifying
Catholics from the British throne) is generally called
"The Glorious Revolution."
When Mary was dead and Wiliiam dying or old,
Parliament passed in 1701 the Act of Settlement, ruling
that the British throne must pass only to direct
descendants of Sophia of Hanover (another granddaughter
of James I.) Queen Anne (another Protestant daughter of James II)
inherited in 1701, was married and had many children
but none survived. So when she died in 1714 the throne
passed to a Hanoverian prince who spoke no English.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
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