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Mike
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:23 am
Post subject: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly and 2.) that the gentleman was not
being a chauvinist.
TIA and kind regards,
Mike.
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:38 am
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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On 01 Sep 2005, Mike wrote
| Quote: | I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly and 2.) that the gentleman was not
being a chauvinist.
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I'm not clear as to who is "I/We" and "You" in this exchange.
Was he addresing his partner? (In which case it was correct -- "I'm
not releasing my figures until I know what my partner has said"), or
was it addressed to the moderator/presenter of the show?
If it was the latter, surely it should have been been "We are not
giving you our figures until we have yours".
And -- again assuming it was the latter -- his use of "I am not" was,
if not chauvinist, very much implying proprietary rights over her
figures as well as his.
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:52 am
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:23:45 +0100, Mike <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly
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It was neither worded correctly nor incorrectly. It was worded as he
chose to word it. However, in this part of the exercise the couple is
not working as a team. They worked on their figures independently.
Therefore, his figures were his figures, and hers were hers.
| Quote: | and 2.) that the gentleman was not being a chauvinist.
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How the figures are arrived at, whether or not the team aspect was
present in the accounting, or whether or not the man phrased the
question correctly or incorrectly does not indicate chauvinism or lack
of chauvinism. For chauvinism to be present would require that the
reason he answered the way he did was because he felt superior as a
male in dealing with a female.
You and your friend must get over the idea that an arrogant prick is
not just a prick. He is not necessarily being chauvinistic by acting
like an arrogant prick. Men act that way to other men, and women act
that way to other women.
chauvinism requires that the reason for the statement, the phrasing,
or the attitude be based on a feeling of superiority. In this case,
that the male is superior to the female. Your anecdote did not
include the presence of this.
BTW...there is an element of chauvinism in your description of the
other party as "a blonde person". If you are male, and you feel that
blonde females are the stereotypically dumb, then the shoe fits.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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Mike
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:44 am
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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Harvey Van Sickle <harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 01 Sep 2005, Mike wrote
I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly and 2.) that the gentleman was not
being a chauvinist.
I'm not clear as to who is "I/We" and "You" in this exchange.
Was he addresing his partner?
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No
| Quote: | (In which case it was correct -- "I'm
not releasing my figures until I know what my partner has said"), or
was it addressed to the moderator/presenter of the show?
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Yes.
| Quote: | If it was the latter, surely it should have been been "We are not
giving you our figures until we have yours".
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No, the "figures" were his and his alone as he had done his own
sums and arrived at his own "figure" in respect of ~their~
profit.
| Quote: | And -- again assuming it was the latter -- his use of "I am not" was,
if not chauvinist, very much implying proprietary rights over her
figures as well as his.
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No, because his partner had no aversion to releasing her figures
which she had worked out seperately to his. In fact, she didn't
even have his figures until he made them public. |
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Mike
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:44 am
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:23:45 +0100, Mike <me@privacy.net> wrote:
I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly
It was neither worded correctly nor incorrectly. It was worded as he
chose to word it. However, in this part of the exercise the couple is
not working as a team. They worked on their figures independently.
Therefore, his figures were his figures, and hers were hers.
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Precisely, exactly, and thank you.
| Quote: | and 2.) that the gentleman was not being a chauvinist.
How the figures are arrived at, whether or not the team aspect was
present in the accounting, or whether or not the man phrased the
question correctly or incorrectly does not indicate chauvinism or lack
of chauvinism. For chauvinism to be present would require that the
reason he answered the way he did was because he felt superior as a
male in dealing with a female.
You and your friend must get over the idea that an arrogant prick is
not just a prick. He is not necessarily being chauvinistic by acting
like an arrogant prick. Men act that way to other men, and women act
that way to other women.
chauvinism requires that the reason for the statement, the phrasing,
or the attitude be based on a feeling of superiority. In this case,
that the male is superior to the female. Your anecdote did not
include the presence of this.
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Indeed.
| Quote: | BTW...there is an element of chauvinism in your description of the
other party as "a blonde person". If you are male, and you feel that
blonde females are the stereotypically dumb, then the shoe fits.
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Quite, and I do not deny that you are correct in this instance.
Thanks again. |
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Carter Jefferson
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:01 am
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:44:43 +0100, Mike <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:23:45 +0100, Mike <me@privacy.net> wrote:
I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly
It was neither worded correctly nor incorrectly. It was worded as he
chose to word it. However, in this part of the exercise the couple is
not working as a team. They worked on their figures independently.
Therefore, his figures were his figures, and hers were hers.
Precisely, exactly, and thank you.
and 2.) that the gentleman was not being a chauvinist.
How the figures are arrived at, whether or not the team aspect was
present in the accounting, or whether or not the man phrased the
question correctly or incorrectly does not indicate chauvinism or lack
of chauvinism. For chauvinism to be present would require that the
reason he answered the way he did was because he felt superior as a
male in dealing with a female.
You and your friend must get over the idea that an arrogant prick is
not just a prick. He is not necessarily being chauvinistic by acting
like an arrogant prick. Men act that way to other men, and women act
that way to other women.
chauvinism requires that the reason for the statement, the phrasing,
or the attitude be based on a feeling of superiority. In this case,
that the male is superior to the female. Your anecdote did not
include the presence of this.
Indeed.
BTW...there is an element of chauvinism in your description of the
other party as "a blonde person". If you are male, and you feel that
blonde females are the stereotypically dumb, then the shoe fits.
Quite, and I do not deny that you are correct in this instance.
Thanks again.
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But, in any case, don't write a "blonde person." The adjective doesn't
carry the final "e." It's a "blond person." A "blonde" is a blond
woman.
Carter |
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:34 pm
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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On 02 Sep 2005, Mike wrote
| Quote: | Harvey Van Sickle <harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | or was it addressed to the moderator/presenter of the show?
Yes.
If it was the latter, surely it should have been been "We are not
giving you our figures until we have yours".
No, the "figures" were his and his alone as he had done his own
sums and arrived at his own "figure" in respect of ~their~
profit.
And -- again assuming it was the latter -- his use of "I am not"
was, if not chauvinist, very much implying proprietary rights
over her figures as well as his.
No, because his partner had no aversion to releasing her figures
which she had worked out seperately to his. In fact, she didn't
even have his figures until he made them public.
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Ah, fair enough then. (All that wasn't clear to me.)
Sounds like an odd "partnership", though -- more like two individuals
than a team.
--
Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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Shaun aRe
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:59 pm
Post subject: Re: How to explain to a 'blonde' person |
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"Mike" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:431770b4$1_2@x-privat.org...
| Quote: | I was in the company of a blonde person while watching a property
program on telly this evening. The program is about two
partnerships who were each given £250k a year ago and asked to
make money in property development over the past twelve months.
Towards the end of the program, one of the partnerships (a man
and woman couple), were asked how much profit they thought they
had made. The couple had done their sums separately and the
gentleman (who was playing his cards close to his chest on this),
when asked directly said; ..."I am not giving you my figures
until I have yours."
The person in my company was somewhat offended by this remark and
declared that the gentleman (now a male chauvinist) ought to have
said, "I am not giving you OUR figures until WE have yours" as
this man and woman had worked as a team.
Try as I might, I did my best to explain my friend's error, and
failed.
Would someone *please* help me to explain 1.) why the original
remark was worded correctly and 2.) that the gentleman was not
being a chauvinist.
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Go to the store.
Buy brown hair dye.
Have her use it, *then* explain it to her.
HTH.
Shaun aRe |
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