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Mark P
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:49 pm
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Hello All,
Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of? It is like a very heavy
woven flax. I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
And also, does anyone know the correct name for the little scraps of
plastic that come off an eraser (UK: rubber) during use?
Thanks very much,
Mark
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dimestore
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:56 pm
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"Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello All,
Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of? It is like a very heavy
woven flax. I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
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It's called rip-stop, or ripstop. Sometimes the word nylon is
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meirman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:56 pm
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In alt.english.usage on Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:56:01 GMT "dimestore"
<dimefudge@sbcglobal.net> posted:
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"Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125240556.598319.120010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Hello All,
Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of? It is like a very heavy
woven flax. I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
It's called rip-stop, or ripstop. Sometimes the word nylon is
used directly after.
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I would have said, It is called rip-stop nylon. Sometimes the word
nylon is omitted. 
(assuming it's made of nylon. Can't the weave be used with any
material? I thought the essence of it was the weave.)
This all assumes that the basic answer is correct. The OP should go
to the website of Gortex and see how that describes it. It will
probably call it "Gortex-brand blah-blah-blah". Mark, you're looking
for the blah-blah-blah. Just as the scotch tape web site (3M iirc)
will say Scotch-brand cellophane tape, or Scotch-brand vinyl? tape.
They are always diligent, and sometimes other companies aren't, to
clarify use the generic name and the brand as a modifier. (Frankly I
don't know the origin of the law, and it might change my mind, but so
far I think the law is backwards. Calling it "scotch tape" seems to
me to *promote* the idea that Scotch holds the trademark, rather than
dilute the idea.
The law should allow "Scotch tape" as a name for the product by all
makers, but should require other makers to say some thing like
Monsanto-brand Scotch tape. Maybe I'm not saying what I really want,
but no time t o rewrite. My basic point is that a trademark holder
should not lose his trademark rights by the public thinking his name
is THE name of the product. To me that just proves that it is his
trademark, if in fact it is, because when people think of cellophane
tape, they think of Scotch.
s/ meirman
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Michael DeBusk
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:38 pm
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On 28 Aug 2005 07:49:16 -0700, Mark P <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
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Gore refers to it as "Gore-Tex Fabric". Here's the FAQ:
http://tinyurl.com/9pg8x
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:41 am
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"Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125240556.598319.120010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of? It is like a very heavy
woven flax. I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
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The Gore web site shows Goretex fabric only in clothing
and boots -- not as luggage.
Traditional names for heavy cotton canvas included "duck"
and "sailcloth." When appropriately shrunk, these repel water
without needing to be impregnated with anything (but are
much heavier than impregnated nylon fabric, especially
when wet.)
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James Silverton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:45 am
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Michael wrote on Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:38:36 GMT:
??>> I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
??>> but it's a registered trademark.
MD> Gore refers to it as "Gore-Tex Fabric". Here's the FAQ:
MD> http://tinyurl.com/9pg8x
The following URL gives what I think is an accurate description
of Gore-Tex and "Gore-Tex Fabrics":-
http://www.mountaindesigns.com/index.cfm?action=staticContent&content=goretex
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Richard Yates
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:17 am
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| Quote: | Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of? It is like a very heavy
woven flax. I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
It's called rip-stop, or ripstop. Sometimes the word nylon is
used directly after.
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Possibly not. Could be Cordura nylon:
http://www.thorncrestoutfitters.com/gearguide/bpack-fabric.htm
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Daniel James
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:10 pm
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In article news:<1125240556.598319.120010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Mark P wrote:
| Quote: | Does anyone know the correct, generic name for the very tough material
that many rucksacks these days are made out of?
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I don't know what the /correct/ term is (or even whether there is a correct
term) but O would describe it as "synthetic canvas" as the weave of the
cloth is very like that of old cotton canvas but the fibre is synthetic
(usually Nylon). My own rucksack claims to be made of "Ks100e", which is
less than entirely helpful (though it does also tell me that the fibre is
nylon).
| Quote: | I believe the trade name is Gortex or something similar,
but it's a registered trademark.
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Goretex is the trademark of W.L.Gore, the company that makes Goretex (which
they spell "GORE-TEX"). Goretex itself isn't a fabric or fibre at all, but
a synthetic material that can be used to make a membrane that can be bonded
to fabrics to render them waterproof but still allow them to "breathe". The
term "GORE-TEX fabric" is used for fabrics incorporating a GORE-TEX
membrane in this way.
Being waterproof yet breathable is advantageous for clothing and footwear,
and GORE-TEX fabric is often used for these. I don't recall having seen it
used for rucksacks.
Some other posters have mentioned "Cordura". Cordura is a trademark for a
range of synthetic fabrics based -- I see from the website at
www.cordura.com that the range includes heavy fabrics that are used for
rucksacks and other luggage as well as lightweight fabrics used for
clothing.
I'm only familiar with Cordura as a material used for clothing, in which
context it was described to me as being made from nylon with another
chemical bonded to the surface of the fibre, the purpose of the extra
chemical being to make the fibre less water-repellant, so that the material
can "wick" (so spreading moisture from perspiration or rain -- or from
washing -- so that it can evaporate more easily and allow the material to
dry more quickly). Given the claims for Cordura on the website ("2X more
durable than standard nylon") there must be something more to it.
Finally, some other posters have mentioned "rip-stop". AFAIK "rip-stop" is
not a type of fibre but a particular weave of fabric that incorporates a
grid of stronger fibres that are supposed to prevent the material from
tearing if it is cut or caught on some obstacle. I've only seen it used in
clothing -- e.g. a shirt made from a light comfortable fabric with a
criss-cross pattern of heavier fibres woven through it very quarter-inch or
so to make it stronger and prevent tearing. I think the actual fibre in
question was Cordura.
Cheers,
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meirman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:21 am
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In alt.english.usage on Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:10:32 +0100 Daniel James
<wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> posted:
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Finally, some other posters have mentioned "rip-stop". AFAIK "rip-stop" is
not a type of fibre but a particular weave of fabric that incorporates a
grid of stronger fibres that are supposed to prevent the material from
tearing if it is cut or caught on some obstacle. I've only seen it used in
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Thanks for explaining this. I never did know what made it rip-stop**.
When I said it was the weave, I thought it was something very clever
-- beyond my comprehension, in fact -- that made a rip beyond a
certain distance do a double-reverse with a twist and stop ripping.
Alas, the mere use of stronger fiber for a bigger grid didn't occur to
me.
But I have seen the grid in some materials, and now that you mention
it, I realize those were rip-stop. I'm thinking mostly of tents. It
would be immodest to have a shirt rip all the way down to the tail,
perhaps, but it's even worse if your tent rips down to the ground.
Especially if you are camping in southeast Louisiana.
**This is partly because I rarely buy anything new. My main tent I
bought at AYH at the end of the summer. They had used it all summer
for their trips with children and teenagers. It came with a free
sweat sock inside.
Wait, I did buy a new tent a few years ago. But I've only used it a
couple times. Can't remember what the box said, or if there was more
to the instructions than how to set it up.
| Quote: | clothing -- e.g. a shirt made from a light comfortable fabric with a
criss-cross pattern of heavier fibres woven through it very quarter-inch or
so to make it stronger and prevent tearing. I think the actual fibre in
question was Cordura.
Cheers,
Daniel
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s/ meirman
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When you give an answer, say in what part of the world you think your answer is valid.
If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
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David Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:23 pm
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"Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | And also, does anyone know the correct name for the little scraps of
plastic that come off an eraser (UK: rubber) during use?
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The only ones I can find (via Google) are "eraser bits", "eraser rubbings"
and "eraser remainders" ...
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David Fisher
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:25 pm
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"David Fisher" <david@hsa.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125240556.598319.120010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And also, does anyone know the correct name for the little scraps of
plastic that come off an eraser (UK: rubber) during use?
The only ones I can find (via Google) are "eraser bits", "eraser rubbings"
and "eraser remainders" ...
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(as well as "scraps", "leavings", etcetera).
David Fisher |
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Odysseus
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:01 am
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David Fisher wrote:
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"Mark P" <markpschool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125240556.598319.120010@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And also, does anyone know the correct name for the little scraps of
plastic that come off an eraser (UK: rubber) during use?
The only ones I can find (via Google) are "eraser bits", "eraser rubbings"
and "eraser remainders" ...
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I'd probably say "eraser crumbs"; of the above suggestions "rubbings"
strikes me as particularly apt.
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