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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:08 am
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On 20 Aug 2005, Adrian Bailey wrote
| Quote: | "Steve Howarth" <mail@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
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| Quote: | Schtrike, schtreet.
My wife used to joke about my saying "shpoon"; evidently this
quirk is catching.
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Comes from watching too many early Bond movies, I suspect.
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Cheers, Harvey
Canadian (30 years) and British (23 years)
For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:16 am
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm reminded of the Everley Brothers' childish pronunciation: "Jeam,
jeam, jeam..."
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That didn't sound right, so I just hauled out my "Greatest Hits" of the
Everly Brothers. The "dr" in the "dream" is as clear as I could wish
for. It's hard to imagine how you would say it differently.
Now, there's a lot of "wan-chu" and "nee-ju" -- sure you aren't
misremembering?
(I worked with a first cousin of the Everly Brothers -- I just loved his
Kentuckyisms.)
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:21 am
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Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | "Steve Howarth" wrote:
"Django Cat" wrote:
People who are interested in posh talk might want to look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4166036.stm innit?
Though the reporter sounds like a prat.
... and displays the ever-increasing (sadly) tendency to pronounce
"s" as "sch".
You mean "sh"?
Schtrike, schtreet.
My wife used to joke about my saying "shpoon"; evidently this quirk is
catching.
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My wife uses "yesh" on occasion. I don't know where that comes from.
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Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:02 am
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Donna Richoux wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I'm reminded of the Everley Brothers' childish pronunciation:
"Jeam,
jeam, jeam..."
That didn't sound right, so I just hauled out my "Greatest Hits" of
the Everly Brothers. The "dr" in the "dream" is as clear as I could
wish for. It's hard to imagine how you would say it differently.
Now, there's a lot of "wan-chu" and "nee-ju" -- sure you aren't
misremembering?
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I may be. But I think it may be more a matter of how we perceived it
in comparison with our own speech at the time -- I even had a
schoolfellow who claimed he heard it as "zeam", though we all
disagreed -- we certainly commented on it. I distinctly remember we
thought their speech was babyish. (I suppose there's also a
possibility that they remade it for _Greatest Hits_, but I have no
reason to suppose they did.)
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Mike. |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:51 am
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Donna Richoux wrote:
Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I'm reminded of the Everley Brothers' childish pronunciation:
"Jeam,
jeam, jeam..."
That didn't sound right, so I just hauled out my "Greatest Hits" of
the Everly Brothers. The "dr" in the "dream" is as clear as I could
wish for. It's hard to imagine how you would say it differently.
Now, there's a lot of "wan-chu" and "nee-ju" -- sure you aren't
misremembering?
I may be. But I think it may be more a matter of how we perceived it
in comparison with our own speech at the time
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Maybe so -- that was many decades now. I know we've spoken here of
subtle variations in initial consonants and consonant blends -- tr and
chr, for example. Maybe the British R is more pronounced in a word like
"dream", I dunno. You don't trill it or flip it, I'm sure, but maybe you
lean on it.
| Quote: | -- I even had a
schoolfellow who claimed he heard it as "zeam", though we all
disagreed -- we certainly commented on it. I distinctly remember we
thought their speech was babyish. (I suppose there's also a
possibility that they remade it for _Greatest Hits_, but I have no
reason to suppose they did.)
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No indication of that on the paperwork.
Now I'm trying to remember what group with a woman lead singer recorded
one of the songs on that album, "When Will I Be Loved?" A much catchier
version. Musta been the Stone Ponies... Good heavens, and the woman went
on to a solo career as Linda Ronstadt.
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Jess Askin
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:43 am
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"Donna Richoux" <trio@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:1h1meva.1qsiqaf1djh4htN%trio@euronet.nl...
| Quote: | Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Donna Richoux wrote:
Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I'm reminded of the Everley Brothers' childish pronunciation:
"Jeam,
jeam, jeam..."
That didn't sound right, so I just hauled out my "Greatest Hits" of
the Everly Brothers. The "dr" in the "dream" is as clear as I could
wish for. It's hard to imagine how you would say it differently.
Now, there's a lot of "wan-chu" and "nee-ju" -- sure you aren't
misremembering?
I may be. But I think it may be more a matter of how we perceived it
in comparison with our own speech at the time
Maybe so -- that was many decades now. I know we've spoken here of
subtle variations in initial consonants and consonant blends -- tr and
chr, for example. Maybe the British R is more pronounced in a word like
"dream", I dunno. You don't trill it or flip it, I'm sure, but maybe you
lean on it.
-- I even had a
schoolfellow who claimed he heard it as "zeam", though we all
disagreed -- we certainly commented on it. I distinctly remember we
thought their speech was babyish. (I suppose there's also a
possibility that they remade it for _Greatest Hits_, but I have no
reason to suppose they did.)
No indication of that on the paperwork.
Now I'm trying to remember what group with a woman lead singer recorded
one of the songs on that album, "When Will I Be Loved?" A much catchier
version. Musta been the Stone Ponies... Good heavens, and the woman went
on to a solo career as Linda Ronstadt.
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It was Linda Ronstadt, but she recorded after she was already a solo act.
She wasn't with the Stone Ponies very long, IIRC.
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Jess Askin
Iowa, USA |
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Brian Wickham
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:08 am
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:21:39 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net>
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My wife uses "yesh" on occasion. I don't know where that comes from.
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Many people were influenced by the moronic performance of Bill Murray
in "Caddy Shack". I used to work with people younger than me who used
that all the time and it was definitely a reference to "Caddy Shack".
This would be the same age group that thinks "Animal House" is a
classic.
Brian Wickham |
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FB
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:08 am
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC), Areff wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
FB wrote:
Mike Lyle wrote:
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I'm reminded of the Everley Brothers' childish pronunciation: "Jeam,
jeam, jeam..."
"Dream"?
Bye, FB
I could have answered that, but you said "bye", so I assume you left. <g
I tried to get "FB" to not use that "Bye" closer, but he/she wouldn't
listen.
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I remember, but I wouldn't know what else to use: I wouldn't like just
"FB", and someone told me that "bye-bye" is a bit childish.
| Quote: | Maybe if we told him/her that *RP speakers* wouldn't end a Usenet
posting with "Bye", he/she would pay attention.
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Uhm, you have a point there! I (he) may pay attention.
Bye, FB
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Conversation like television set on honeymoon: unnecessary.
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:17 pm
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:01:42 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com>
wrought:
| Quote: | "Steve Howarth" <mail@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:de73os$c7l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
"Django Cat" <nospam@please> wrote in message
news:cfudnR8jRaGpmZreRVnysQ@brightview.com...
People who are interested in posh talk might want to look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4166036.stm innit?
Though the reporter sounds like a prat.
... and displays the ever-increasing (sadly) tendency to pronounce "s" as
"sch".
You mean "sh"?
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Shome mishtake, shurely.
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mark
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:50 pm
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Legend tells of a time when the mysterious hermit Ross Howard of
gguiri@yahoo.com returned briefly from exile to say ...
| Quote: | On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:01:42 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com
wrought:
"Steve Howarth" <mail@stevehowarth.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:de73os$c7l$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
"Django Cat" <nospam@please> wrote in message
news:cfudnR8jRaGpmZreRVnysQ@brightview.com...
People who are interested in posh talk might want to look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4166036.stm innit?
Though the reporter sounds like a prat.
... and displays the ever-increasing (sadly) tendency to pronounce "s" as
"sch".
You mean "sh"?
Shome mishtake, shurely.
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Shaun Connery is involved somehow, I'll bet.
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"When replying to Nigerian lawyers that offer millions in return for a
£50 000 finders fee, only send half the money. Keep the rest until you
get the paperwork."
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