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idiomatic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:17 pm
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Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
Thanks million!
:-)
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Don Phillipson
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:01 pm
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"idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
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You may have misunderstood . . .
"Idiom" is identified by time and place: thus we
talk about the Yankee idiom (NE USA), the Victorian
idiom (19th century England) etc.
Idiom is not defined by its topic. In order to collect
words describing drinking, better organizing principles
would be such formal semantic ones as simile,
metaphor, etc., regardless of "idiom."
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:27 pm
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"idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
Thanks million!
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http://freaky_freya.tripod.com/Drunktionary/drunkcentral.html
And other similar sites; try typing _fish pissed drunk sozzled_ into Google.
You could then also use Google (websearch and/or groupsearch) to find out
which ones are actually used.
Adrian
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:52 pm
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Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | "idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello everyone!
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I've nothing to add to Adrian's advice, but I've taken the liberty of
making a few minor suggestions about your English.
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I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on
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....Spanish...
....some research...[or] a piece of research...[or]a research
project...
[We can do or make a search; but _research_ is typically, though not
always, uncountable.]
| Quote: | English idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task
for |
....a non-native...
| Quote: | non-native so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of
them,such as "drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would
appreciate |
[Perhaps:]...would appreciate it if you could...
| Quote: | if you can write me as many idiomatic expressions that you can
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[I'm uncomfortable with "write me": perhaps "let me have"?]
....as you can...
| Quote: | remember for saying someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
Thanks million!
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Thanks a million [but it's a rather tired expression]
| Quote: | http://freaky_freya.tripod.com/Drunktionary/drunkcentral.html
And other similar sites; try typing _fish pissed drunk sozzled_
into
Google.
You could then also use Google (websearch and/or groupsearch) to
find
out which ones are actually used.
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Drink responsibly -- a new catch-phrase from a desperate Government.
Your very good health!
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Mike. |
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idiomatic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:55 pm
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Thanks Adrian!
I'll check your link!
Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | "idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124363871.858849.285440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
Thanks million!
http://freaky_freya.tripod.com/Drunktionary/drunkcentral.html
And other similar sites; try typing _fish pissed drunk sozzled_ into Google.
You could then also use Google (websearch and/or groupsearch) to find out
which ones are actually used.
Adrian |
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idiomatic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:58 pm
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| Gracias Mike por tus comentarios, por supuesto lo tendré en cuenta! |
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meirman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:35 pm
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In alt.english.usage on Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:01:55 -0400 "Don
Phillipson" <d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> posted:
| Quote: | "idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
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Shorter than the other suggestions and just as good, I'm doing
research.
| Quote: | idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
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Concerning and context are pretty much redundant. Either "concerning
drinking" or "in the context of drinking". Simpler yet would be "for
drinking". Any one of these might have drinking followed by "alcohol"
in order to be clear, at least the first time it is used, or the first
time in each chapter or page. I'm not the only one who doesn't quite
like equating "drinking" with "drinking alcohol". (I'm not even going
to get into the differences I see between "alcohol" and "alcoholic
beverages".
Although maybe you do mean "concern" and not just "for". The latter
would be those that mean "drinking". The former would include those
that are related to drinking even indirectly. Like if someone got
drunk, what are idioms for dragging him to bed, keeping his condition
a secret, sobering him up, etc.
| Quote: | so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
You may have misunderstood . . .
"Idiom" is identified by time and place: thus we
talk about the Yankee idiom (NE USA), the Victorian
idiom (19th century England) etc.
Idiom is not defined by its topic.
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Despite the other errors dealt with in another post, I don't think he
used idiom incorrectly. The Yankee idiom is, I guess, the set of
words and phrases used by Yankees when speaking English.
But there are individual phrases and perhaps words that are in
themselves idioms, whether they are used by all English speakers or
only by some. "Catch 40 winks" is an idiom for "nap". Etc.
He is looking for all the idioms that represent drinking alcohol.
I think the word in Spanish is modismo, which refers to the sort of
idiom that the OP wants. I sort of doubt that it also refers to your
meaning. I'm guessing that would be lengua, or lengua typica? These
are just guesses. Am I right, Idiomatic?
OK, I checked and idioma *is* listed as a meaning for language, along
with lengua. But is it used? And maybe lenguaje is more common
still?
For idiom it lists modismo and idiotismo. I really can't imagine what
meaning of idiom the Spanish would use idiotismo for.
| Quote: | In order to collect
words describing drinking, better organizing principles
would be such formal semantic ones as simile,
metaphor, etc., regardless of "idiom."
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s/ meirman
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My English in this reply is colloquial, and may not always use full sentences.
For gosh sakes, when you ask a question, say what sort of English you are asking about.
When you give an answer, say in what part of the world you think your answer is valid.
If you are emailing me please
say if you are posting the same response.
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Indianapolis 7 years | Now in
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Bob Cunningham
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On 18 Aug 2005 04:17:51 -0700, "idiomatic"
<cortinaperez@gmail.com> said:
| Quote: | Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
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pixilated, drunk as a skunk, smashed, loaded, bombed,
feeling no pain
three sheets to the wind (?)
I've been with people who were under the influence of strong
drink who thought it was funny to say "inebriated". |
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Nick Worley
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"Nick Worley" <spam@cornedbeef.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Nick Worley" <spam@cornedbeef.com> wrote in message
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"idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124363871.858849.285440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
"bladdered" is a good (UK-specific) term. (Well, I say "UK-specific", I
think so anyway... England-specific anyway).
"drunk as a lord" is readily understood, but not commonly used, since it's
outdated. Although that doesn't mean you won't ever hear this expression
used. In certain contexts it might be used for comical effect. In other
contexts it might be used seriously/non-ironically. Depends what circles
you knock around in.
I've never heard "drunk as a pig" before, although obviously it'd be
understood. I say "obviously" since you could add anything after "I'm
drunk as ...", and it would make sense regardless of whether it's a set
expression or not. For example, "I'm as drunk as a gerbil" isn't a set
expression, but makes sense/is funny. [Neither pigs nor gerbils (to my
knowledge) regularly partake, but that's beside the point]. ("I'm sweating
like a pig" is a common expression though).
Other drunk expressions (that are readily understood/commonly used in
England):
- I'm off my face
- I'm off my trolley
- I'm out of my tree
Regards
Nick
PS But "bladdered" is the most commonly used term in my experience as at
Aug 20005 in England. (Not that I've carried out an extensive survey. OK,
for "commonly used" read "favourite"!!! Regards, Nick).
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Or to emphasize the degree of enebriation: "I'm proper bladdered". (That
makes it sound properly plebby).
Proper regards Nick |
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Nick Worley
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"Nick Worley" <spam@cornedbeef.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124363871.858849.285440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
"bladdered" is a good (UK-specific) term. (Well, I say "UK-specific", I
think so anyway... England-specific anyway).
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"drunk as a lord" is readily understood, but not commonly used, since it's
outdated. Although that doesn't mean you won't ever hear this expression
used. In certain contexts it might be used for comical effect. In other
contexts it might be used seriously/non-ironically. Depends what circles you
knock around in.
I've never heard "drunk as a pig" before, although obviously it'd be
understood. I say "obviously" since you could add anything after "I'm drunk
as ...", and it would make sense regardless of whether it's a set
expression or not. For example, "I'm as drunk as a gerbil" isn't a set
expression, but makes sense/is funny. [Neither pigs nor gerbils (to my
knowledge) regularly partake, but that's beside the point]. ("I'm sweating
like a pig" is a common expression though).
Other drunk expressions (that are readily understood/commonly used in
England):
- I'm off my face
- I'm off my trolley
- I'm out of my tree
Regards
Nick
PS But "bladdered" is the most commonly used term in my experience as at Aug
20005 in England. (Not that I've carried out an extensive survey. OK, for
"commonly used" read "favourite"!!! Regards, Nick). |
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Nick Worley
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"idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124363871.858849.285440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hello everyone!
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
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"bladdered" is a good (UK-specific) term. (Well, I say "UK-specific", I
think so anyway... England-specific anyway).
Regards
Nick |
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Nick Worley
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"Nick Worley" <spam@cornedbeef.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Or to emphasize the degree of enebriation...
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Or "inebriation" even (a case in point)...
regards
nick |
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idiomatic
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Dear Don,
You're right, the word "idiom" means "period of time" as you say, but
"idiom" is a polysemic word and it also means a group of word in a
fixed order that have a particular meaning that is different from the
meanings of each word understood on its own. Therefore, what I'm asking
you is whether or not you remember any fixed phrase, idiom, formalae
(or whatever you want to call it) that means someone is drunk, such as
"drunk as a pig", or "boozed up". Anyway, thank you very much for
having answered my message.
Regards,
Beatriz
Don Phillipson wrote:
| Quote: | "idiomatic" <cortinaperez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124363871.858849.285440@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm a spanish postgraduate student and I'm doing a research on English
idioms concerning the drinking context. This a hard task for non-native
so could anyone help me? I've already collected some of them,such as
"drunk as a lord" or "as a pig" but I would appreciate if you can write
me as many idiomatic expressions that you can remember for saying
someone is drunk, or to get drunk, and so on.
You may have misunderstood . . .
"Idiom" is identified by time and place: thus we
talk about the Yankee idiom (NE USA), the Victorian
idiom (19th century England) etc.
Idiom is not defined by its topic. In order to collect
words describing drinking, better organizing principles
would be such formal semantic ones as simile,
metaphor, etc., regardless of "idiom."
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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idiomatic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:56 pm
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Thanks Nick, you have really helped me.
Regards,
Beatriz |
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Bob Cunningham
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On 19 Aug 2005 01:47:58 -0700, "idiomatic"
<cortinaperez@gmail.com> said:
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| Quote: | Therefore, what I'm asking
you is whether or not you remember any fixed phrase, idiom, formalae
(or whatever you want to call it) that means someone is drunk, such as
"drunk as a pig", or "boozed up".
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I used to hear "stewed". The _New Shorter Oxford English
Dictionary_ says
stewed
[...]
3 Drunk. Freq. in stewed to the ears, stewed to
the eyebrows, stewed to the gills, etc. colloq.
(orig. US). M18. |
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