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lin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:10 am
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"Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:46 pm
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lin wrote:
| Quote: | "Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
Shouldn't the quotation read 'drawing'? |
Quick google- yes, here it is: Samuel Butler.
Though why you can 'draw' conclusions (drag them out?) but not 'dream'
them is a matter for the clichemongers.
Paul Burke |
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Nick Wagg
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:54 pm
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"lin" <uniquedoggie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123824410.371137.111700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | "Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
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I understand the above as something like
"getting all the answers you need,
despite the questions being badly posed".
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Einde O'Callaghan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:28 pm
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lin wrote:
| Quote: | "Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
Googling on this phrase I find only one Chinese site with this quote as |
given above. I suspect this site is some sort of discussion board for
people learning English.
Googling on the same phrase substituting "drawing" for "dreaming" leads
to several hundred sites which give the source of this phrase as Samuel
Butler, a British author in the latter part of the 19th century.
You will find the phrase "to draw a conclusion" or "to draw conclusions"
in a good bilingual dictionary for your own language.
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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SpiKe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:03 pm
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"lin" <uniquedoggie@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
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Butler was dreaming his conclusion that life is simply a form of art
that is dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
In short he was having a laugh (irony)
'dreaming' substituting the word 'drawing' might seem strange to us
but in the Victorian era it would have been acceptable. Butler also gave us
the phrase ::
'Better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all' (from his
novel The way of All Flesh) he was a firm evolutionist and had a love of
irony.
http://www.victorianweb.org/science/butler.html |
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Einde O'Callaghan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:24 pm
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SpiKe <no-one@home.com. wrote:
| Quote: | "lin" <uniquedoggie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123824410.371137.111700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
"Life is the art of dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises."
in the sentence above ,wot does the "dream.... from "mean?
means conclude?imagine?get? or ....
Butler was dreaming his conclusion that life is simply a form of art
that is dreaming sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
In short he was having a laugh (irony)
'dreaming' substituting the word 'drawing' might seem strange to us
but in the Victorian era it would have been acceptable. Butler also gave us
the phrase ::
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The problem with your exegesis is that Butler didn't use the word
"dreaming" but the word "drawing" according to all the sources available
on the Net.
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan |
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SpiKe
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:29 pm
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"Einde O'Callaghan" <einde.ocallaghan@planet-interkom.de> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The problem with your exegesis is that Butler didn't use the word
"dreaming" but the word "drawing" according to all the sources available |
on the Net.
not really what i said i was pointing out that 'drawing' would be more
acceptable
today than 'dreaming' which a hundred years ago would have been closer to
the
meaning of 'drawing' today. i am not saying that they are interconvertible
but
context is as ever all important. this is only my opinion knowing what i do
of Butler |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:39 am
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SpiKe wrote:
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Butler also gave us the phrase ::
'Better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all' (from
his novel The way of All Flesh) he was a firm evolutionist and had a
love of irony.
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It is usually attributed to Tennyson, although it is probably better
regarded as proverbial:
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Butler's version was the much more interesting:
" 'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have lost at all." ...
Are you self-(un)educated, by any chance?
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John Briggs |
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SpiKe
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:10 pm
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"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | SpiKe wrote:
Butler also gave us the phrase ::
'Better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all' (from
his novel The way of All Flesh) he was a firm evolutionist and had a
love of irony.
It is usually attributed to Tennyson, although it is probably better
regarded as proverbial:
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Butler's version was the much more interesting:
" 'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have lost at all." ...
Are you self-(un)educated, by any chance?
--
John Briggs
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I stand corrected and yes I am .. |
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