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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:12 pm
Post subject: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:29 pm
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dh@. wrote:
| Quote: | Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
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Years ago the squirrels at Stanley Park in Vancouver B.C. would run
over to people in anticipation of being fed.
They would chatter a mean streak at you if you had no peanuts to give
them. |
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Dutch
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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<dh@.> wrote
| Quote: | Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
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When did anyone deny that animals experience anticipation? |
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Rudy Canoza
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:12 am
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dh@. wrote:
| Quote: | Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
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Simple stimulus/response. NOT the same thing at all as
human anticipation.
| Quote: | Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
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And the ducks were NOT "disappointed" if he didn't show. |
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Michael Nitabach
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:13 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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dh@. wrote in news:jau4e1ll031tp3hdj7ql8cf7cvk2nkb9oh@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
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Goldfish do the same thing. Why do you consider this worth remarking?
Are you surprised that organisms anticipate regularities in their
environments? Even single cell cyanobacteria anticipate day-to-night
and night-to-day transitions.
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shrubkiller
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:14 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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Dutch wrote:
| Quote: | dh@.> wrote
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
When did anyone deny that animals experience anticipation?
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Your stupid little buddy Goobernicus has been denying all
along.......then he switched his story and said that there is a
"qualitive difference in anticipation" concerning animals. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:41 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On 23 Jul 2005 10:29:54 -0700, banmilk@hotmail.com wrote:
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dh@. wrote:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Years ago the squirrels at Stanley Park in Vancouver B.C. would run
over to people in anticipation of being fed.
They would chatter a mean streak at you if you had no peanuts to give
them.
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That proves not only disappointment, but also resentment.
Now it's up to Goo to try to make up some other cause for
the behavior, which by now we know he is incapable of doing. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:41 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:46:30 -0700, "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | dh@.> wrote
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
When did anyone deny that animals experience anticipation?
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Your hero Goo denys that animals can experience anticipation,
and also disappointment. If you understand that they can, maybe
this will help you to see how stupid your hero is, but of course
that's far from likely....if you haven't figured it out by this time, what
are the chances that you ever will? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:42 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On 23 Jul 2005 11:14:59 -0700, "shrubkiller" <shrubkiller@excite.com> wrote:
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Dutch wrote:
dh@.> wrote
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
When did anyone deny that animals experience anticipation?
Your stupid little buddy Goobernicus has been denying all
along.......then he switched his story and said that there is a
"qualitive difference in anticipation" concerning animals.
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Well really it's more retarded than that...he says there's
a qualitative difference between the type of anticipation
that humans experience and the anticipation that animals
can't...or some such stupidity. Goo doesn't even know
what he thinks, and is afraid to try explaining it. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:42 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:13:47 -0500, Michael Nitabach <mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | dh@. wrote in news:jau4e1ll031tp3hdj7ql8cf7cvk2nkb9oh@4ax.com:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Goldfish do the same thing. Why do you consider this worth remarking?
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Only because an idiot called Goo insists that no animals are
able to experience anticipation or disappointment.
| Quote: | Are you surprised that organisms anticipate regularities in their
environments?
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I'm not. To most people it's easy to understand and makes
perfect sense, but Goo doesn't understand it, doesn't believe
it, and of course can make no sense at all out of it.
| Quote: | Even single cell cyanobacteria anticipate day-to-night
and night-to-day transitions.
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Hmmm...light-to-dark etc transitions perhaps, but they could
have no real concept of night and day imo. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:42 am
Post subject: Re: LACK OF Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:12:16 GMT, Rudy Canoza <someguy@ph.con> wrote:
| Quote: | dh@. wrote:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Simple stimulus/response.
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As I pointed out Goo, the simple stimulus response in this case
is called anticipation
| Quote: | NOT the same thing at all as
human anticipation.
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You have no idea. Anticipation in ducks could be the same as
it is for humans.
| Quote: | Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
And the ducks were NOT "disappointed" if he didn't show.
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You have no clue whether they were or not, because there's
no way that you could have. |
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Michael Nitabach
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:44 am
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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dh@. wrote in news:rsa5e1p5nfflgi1s65thrmoqhacl1a5qbj@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:13:47 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
dh@. wrote in news:jau4e1ll031tp3hdj7ql8cf7cvk2nkb9oh@4ax.com:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Goldfish do the same thing. Why do you consider this worth
remarking?
Only because an idiot called Goo insists that no animals are
able to experience anticipation or disappointment.
Are you surprised that organisms anticipate regularities in their
environments?
I'm not. To most people it's easy to understand and makes
perfect sense, but Goo doesn't understand it, doesn't believe
it, and of course can make no sense at all out of it.
Even single cell cyanobacteria anticipate day-to-night
and night-to-day transitions.
Hmmm...light-to-dark etc transitions perhaps, but they could
have no real concept of night and day imo.
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What's a concept?
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On 23 Jul 2005 10:29:54 -0700, banmilk@hotmail.com wrote:
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dh@. wrote:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Years ago the squirrels at Stanley Park in Vancouver B.C. would run
over to people in anticipation of being fed.
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Even my tropical fish, and fish are notoriously dumb, do that. Well,
they don't exactly run, but they swim to the top of the tank when they
see me coming.
| Quote: | They would chatter a mean streak at you if you had no peanuts to give
them.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:44:29 -0500, Michael Nitabach <mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | dh@. wrote in news:rsa5e1p5nfflgi1s65thrmoqhacl1a5qbj@4ax.com:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:13:47 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
dh@. wrote in news:jau4e1ll031tp3hdj7ql8cf7cvk2nkb9oh@4ax.com:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Goldfish do the same thing. Why do you consider this worth
remarking?
Only because an idiot called Goo insists that no animals are
able to experience anticipation or disappointment.
Are you surprised that organisms anticipate regularities in their
environments?
I'm not. To most people it's easy to understand and makes
perfect sense, but Goo doesn't understand it, doesn't believe
it, and of course can make no sense at all out of it.
Even single cell cyanobacteria anticipate day-to-night
and night-to-day transitions.
Hmmm...light-to-dark etc transitions perhaps, but they could
have no real concept of night and day imo.
What's a concept?
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Main Entry: con·cept
Pronunciation: 'kän-"sept
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin conceptum, neuter of conceptus, past participle of concipere
to conceive -- more at CONCEIVE
1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION
[...]
synonym see IDEA
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=concept&x=0&y=0
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Any of the above work for me. Since they don't have a brain, they can have
no thought, notion, idea, or anything else regarding night and day. That may not
prevent them from being able to anticipate and respond to things, including light
and darkness, but it does prevent the ability to give any consideration to day and
night, imo. |
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Michael Nitabach
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Proof of anticipation in ducks |
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dh@. wrote in news:0mg7e1dd13ldh8te7k1hnlfqd9if28mobn@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:44:29 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
dh@. wrote in news:rsa5e1p5nfflgi1s65thrmoqhacl1a5qbj@4ax.com:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:13:47 -0500, Michael Nitabach
mnitabach@acedsl.com> wrote:
dh@. wrote in news:jau4e1ll031tp3hdj7ql8cf7cvk2nkb9oh@4ax.com:
Ducks know that some people will feed them, and the proof
is the fact that they will come to places and wait to be fed.
Over a dozen of them would gather at sundown behind a guy's
boat down the dock, and wait due to anticipation of the feed
he would give them.
Goldfish do the same thing. Why do you consider this worth
remarking?
Only because an idiot called Goo insists that no animals are
able to experience anticipation or disappointment.
Are you surprised that organisms anticipate regularities in
their environments?
I'm not. To most people it's easy to understand and makes
perfect sense, but Goo doesn't understand it, doesn't believe
it, and of course can make no sense at all out of it.
Even single cell cyanobacteria anticipate day-to-night
and night-to-day transitions.
Hmmm...light-to-dark etc transitions perhaps, but they could
have no real concept of night and day imo.
What's a concept?
_________________________________________________________
Main Entry: con·cept
Pronunciation: 'kän-"sept
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin conceptum, neuter of conceptus, past participle
of concipere to conceive -- more at CONCEIVE
1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION
[...]
synonym see IDEA
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=concept&x=
0&y=0 ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
Any of the above work for me. Since they don't have a brain,
they can have
no thought, notion, idea, or anything else regarding night and
day. That may not prevent them from being able to anticipate and
respond to things, including light and darkness, but it does
prevent the ability to give any consideration to day and night,
imo.
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Do you think that possession of a brain guarantees that the possessor
has a "real concept" of its perceptions and actions?
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Mike Nitabach |
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