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Linz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:59 pm
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"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You need to be careful with water biscuits. Some varieties
(possibly including Carr's) contain hydrogenated vegetable oil
which, together with its bastard love child partially hydrogenated
vegetable oil, is a Bad Thing and must on no account whatsoever
pass your lips.
I find Nairn's Oatcakes are also a fine accompaniment to all
cheeses, particularly Keen's or Montgomery's Cheddar, the two very
best makers.
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The bonus to both these, and to many other good-for-cheese crackers,
is that small children can be persuaded that they are the Best Biscuit
Around. YoungBloke is very excited to get a half an oatcake to see him
through the hour's journey home from nursery. |
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Linz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:02 pm
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"Paul Wolff" <bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Do water biscuits have any other function than to carry cheese?
Bath Olivers are highly spoken of by the well-heeled.
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They come in handy when you're suffering with morning sickness. |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:25 pm
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Linz spake thusly:
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"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121077370.633110.177770@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
You need to be careful with water biscuits. Some varieties
(possibly including Carr's) contain hydrogenated vegetable oil
which, together with its bastard love child partially hydrogenated
vegetable oil, is a Bad Thing and must on no account whatsoever
pass your lips.
I find Nairn's Oatcakes are also a fine accompaniment to all
cheeses, particularly Keen's or Montgomery's Cheddar, the two very
best makers.
The bonus to both these, and to many other good-for-cheese crackers,
is that small children can be persuaded that they are the Best Biscuit
Around. YoungBloke is very excited to get a half an oatcake to see him
through the hour's journey home from nursery.
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We gave Daughter no sugary food as a baby until we relented while on
holiday in Rhodes when she was nearly 2. It seemed to us that
denying her the heavenly chocolate cake served at the quay-front
cafes would be tantamount to child abuse. She was utterly astonished
and finished off by picking up the plate and licking it clean. I
have photographs.
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David
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Areff
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:02 pm
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
| Quote: | Not sure they exist in Rightpondia, but here in Merrica we have
something called a "Fig Newton" which fits approximately into the
same taxonomic space as the Garibaldi.
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Is that what the Garibaldi is like? I've been picturing something very
different.
Interestingly enough, the fig newton is supposed to contain bits of bees
and such.
| Quote: | And which Newton was it named after?
- He of gravitational attraction fame?
- Newton Abbot?
- Wayne Newton?
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None of the above. As I'm sure Ray O'Hara can tell you, the fig newton is
named for Newton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.
The generic name appears to be "fig bars". Nowadays there are also "apple
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irwell
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:19 pm
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:27:41 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle <harvey.news@ntlworld.com>
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| Quote: | On 11 Jul 2005, the Omrud wrote
irwell spake thusly:
Paris has a Garibaldi Boulevard.
Does it have squashed currants embedded in it?
That takes the biscuit.
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Petit pain avec mouche morte. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:49 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
Oh. Those look something like what I think we call, or used to call,
"raisin cookies". I haven't had such things in 25 years or so.
Unfortunately, Google-imaging for "raisin cookies" just brings up pictures
of the familiar oatmeal raisin cookie. What I'm remembering are square
and relatively flat cookies with an almost graham-crackery exterior and a
layer of raisin substance as the 'filling'. Sandwichlike in the
metaphorical sense that Oreos and any cookie with two outside layers and
a middle filling can be called sandwichlike. But the exterior was
relatively soft and not crispy -- I'm not sure if the Garibaldi biscuit
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:16 am
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In message <pi87d1l9uo69jrq8qu8m7kn1k3ba1q0363@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
<docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
| Quote: | On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:20:03 +0100, Paul Wolff
bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
In message <4jp5d19n32g0kue9uf4705cjpalgq02a2r@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
[details of how Nottingham Forest acquired their red shirts]
This story is confirmed by a link
http://www.nottinghamforest.premiumtv.co.uk/page/History/0,,10308~6433
9,00.html
from Forest's official web site.
I don't seem to be able to cut and paste from that site.
And the Forest red jerseys were later adopted by Arsenal, not widely
known as the Garibaldi Gunners.
My father, who was a Forest season ticket holder all of his life,
believed that Arsenal had lent red shirts to Forest for one of
Forests's earliest games, and that they carried on using red in
gratitude. Sadly, or possibly luckily, he died in the 1960s long
before such things as web sites and facts could destroy his illusions.
But that version of the story, and the warm relation between Forest
and Arsenal, definitely existed round about 1950.
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http://www.arseweb.com/other/faaq.html#6 refers to a donation of kit by
Forest, but
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=204740&lid=AboutArsenal&sub=Ki
t+Design&navlid=the+club&sublid=&Title=Kit+Design
or http://tinyurl.com/dgo9e
says that many Forest players were still wearing it when it arrived.
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In bocca al Lupo! |
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Jitze Couperus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:18 am
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:37:59 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
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Not sure they exist in Rightpondia, but here in Merrica we have
something called a "Fig Newton" which fits approximately into the
same taxonomic space as the Garibaldi.
I am not overly familiar with this delicacy, but a couple of questions
arise:
Does a Fig Newton actually contain bits of fig, or is it merely a
re-branding of the venerable Garibaldi?
And which Newton was it named after?
- He of gravitational attraction fame?
- Newton Abbot?
- Wayne Newton?
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:18 am
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Jitze Couperus wrote:
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Not sure they exist in Rightpondia, but here in Merrica we have
something called a "Fig Newton" which fits approximately into the
same taxonomic space as the Garibaldi.
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Fig Newtons are nothing like Garibaldi biscuits ("squashed fly
cemeteries", my husband calls them). I have had "Fig Rolls" in England,
which are essentially the same as "Fig Newtons".
| Quote: | I am not overly familiar with this delicacy, but a couple of questions
arise:
Does a Fig Newton actually contain bits of fig, or is it merely a
re-branding of the venerable Garibaldi?
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Don't know about the figs, but they're not Garibaldis
| Quote: | And which Newton was it named after?
- He of gravitational attraction fame?
- Newton Abbot?
- Wayne Newton?
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It's a mystery.
Fran |
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:33 am
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Jitze Couperus <couperus-eschew-this@znet.com> wrote:
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Does a Fig Newton actually contain bits of fig, or is it merely a
re-branding of the venerable Garibaldi?
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A picture of a fig newton here, although I think they pasted on more
seeds for some mysterious reason:
http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/fig1.gif
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And which Newton was it named after?
- He of gravitational attraction fame?
- Newton Abbot?
- Wayne Newton?
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All you want to know about the invention and naming of Fig Newtons:
http://inventors.about.com/od/fstartinventions/a/Fig_Newton.htm
After I moved to Boston, I used to make jokes about all the different
villages within the boundaries of nearby Newton - Newton Center, Newton
Corner, Newton Upper Falls, Newton Highlands, Newtonville, West Newton -
by rattling them off and adding, "Old Newton, New Newton, Isaac Newton,
Fig Newton." Now, after all these years, I learn there was an actual
connection.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:34 am
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Jitze Couperus filted:
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Does a Fig Newton actually contain bits of fig, or is it merely a
re-branding of the venerable Garibaldi?
And which Newton was it named after?
- He of gravitational attraction fame?
- Newton Abbot?
- Wayne Newton?
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The fig is in the middle, as is the Newton in Olivia Newton-John....
QED....r |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:41 am
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Donna Richoux spake thusly:
| Quote: | Jitze Couperus <couperus-eschew-this@znet.com> wrote:
Does a Fig Newton actually contain bits of fig, or is it merely a
re-branding of the venerable Garibaldi?
A picture of a fig newton here, although I think they pasted on more
seeds for some mysterious reason:
http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/fig1.gif
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That's a fig roll. Still fairly big over here.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:43 am
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Areff spake thusly:
| Quote: | Jitze Couperus wrote:
Not sure they exist in Rightpondia, but here in Merrica we have
something called a "Fig Newton" which fits approximately into the
same taxonomic space as the Garibaldi.
Is that what the Garibaldi is like? I've been picturing something very
different.
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No. Nothing like that. There are several images here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cambridgeshire/e_break/biscuit_test/biscuit_test
..shtml
http://tinyurl.com/dv44o
| Quote: | Interestingly enough, the fig newton is supposed to contain bits of bees
and such.
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Wasps. Bees don't pollenate the fig, it's tiny wasps.
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:04 am
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:16:20 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <pi87d1l9uo69jrq8qu8m7kn1k3ba1q0363@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:20:03 +0100, Paul Wolff
bounceme@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
In message <4jp5d19n32g0kue9uf4705cjpalgq02a2r@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
docrobin@ntlworld.com> writes
[details of how Nottingham Forest acquired their red shirts]
This story is confirmed by a link
http://www.nottinghamforest.premiumtv.co.uk/page/History/0,,10308~6433
9,00.html
from Forest's official web site.
I don't seem to be able to cut and paste from that site.
And the Forest red jerseys were later adopted by Arsenal, not widely
known as the Garibaldi Gunners.
My father, who was a Forest season ticket holder all of his life,
believed that Arsenal had lent red shirts to Forest for one of
Forests's earliest games, and that they carried on using red in
gratitude. Sadly, or possibly luckily, he died in the 1960s long
before such things as web sites and facts could destroy his illusions.
But that version of the story, and the warm relation between Forest
and Arsenal, definitely existed round about 1950.
http://www.arseweb.com/other/faaq.html#6 refers to a donation of kit by
Forest, but
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?article=204740&lid=AboutArsenal&sub=Ki
t+Design&navlid=the+club&sublid=&Title=Kit+Design
or http://tinyurl.com/dgo9e
says that many Forest players were still wearing it when it arrived.
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The official Arsenal Football Club site shows that it was formed in
1886, while Forest started in 1865, so it does look as though the red
shirts went from Nottingham to London rather than vice-versa.
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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:26 am
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John Dean turpitued:
| Quote: | We used to get most of our biscuits via a neighbour who worked at
McVities where staff were allowed to bring out substandard product for a
nominal price. This may (or may not) be where the phrase "face like a
bag of broken biscuits" originated.
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Many's the time I was sent, as a child, to the corner shop to buy
sixpence' worth of broken biscuits. They were an excellent deal for
families with many children and not much money. In those days the
shops kept their biscuits in large tins, and there were always enough
leftovers in the bottom of the tin to make "broken biscuits" a
standard shop item.
Now that I think of it, many shops in those days found uses for their
leftovers. A tailor's shop was a good source of scrap fabric for
school projects. Butchers used to keep bones and various bits of
offal to sell to dog and cat owners. It kept the animals healthy,
it was cheap for the owners, and it was one of the reasons people
got by with much smaller garbage bins than we need today.
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