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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:37 am
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The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
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John Dean
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Boron Elgar
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:42 am
Post subject: Re: Garibaldi Biscuits |
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:37:59 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
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If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:04 am
Post subject: Re: Garibaldi Biscuits |
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Boron Elgar wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:37:59 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
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Too late. "Cookie" has already been accepted into British English, but
with the meaning restricted to "an American-style cookie," referring to
such cookies as chocolate-chip cookies and oatmeal-raisin cookies. (The
same thing has happened in French. An example of this can be seen in
the French-dubbed version of Woody Allen's *Small Time Crooks,* in
which the character named Frenchy bakes "cookies," not "biscuits.")
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Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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Boron Elgar
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:17 am
Post subject: Re: Garibaldi Biscuits |
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On 10 Jul 2005 17:04:46 -0700, "Raymond S. Wise" <mplsray@my-deja.com>
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Boron Elgar wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:37:59 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
Too late. "Cookie" has already been accepted into British English, but
with the meaning restricted to "an American-style cookie," referring to
such cookies as chocolate-chip cookies and oatmeal-raisin cookies. (The
same thing has happened in French. An example of this can be seen in
the French-dubbed version of Woody Allen's *Small Time Crooks,* in
which the character named Frenchy bakes "cookies," not "biscuits.")
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But who'd dream of naming a cookie after an Italian revolutionary?
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Philip Eden
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:30 am
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
| Quote: | Sherman biscuit?
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Have you never eaten a Lincoln, John? The only two kinds |
of biscuit we were allowed to buy to supplement our milk-break
milk at William Austin County Primary were Rich Tea and
Lincoln.
And I understand Sherman Oats are van nuys too.
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:33 am
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Boron Elgar wrote, in reply to John Dean:
| Quote: | If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
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Perhaps John would rather not be tossing his cookies. |
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:11 pm
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:33:53 GMT, Martin Ambuhl
<mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Boron Elgar wrote, in reply to John Dean:
If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
Perhaps John would rather not be tossing his cookies.
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Again, I'd like to recommend Carr's Table Water biscuits. Far lower in
fat than the better known Ritz crackers, and just as good. Even better
with cheese on top, needless to say.
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Garibaldi Biscuits |
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
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Surely you've eaten a Lincoln biscuit?
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=20
Obviously not named for Abe, though.
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Laura
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Matthew Huntbach
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:27 pm
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known to
generations of school-children, was, according to the usual reliable
sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian patriot. Some
on-line sources suggest the name was applied because Garibaldi had made
a visit to England and was well received. From what I can see, however,
his visit to England was in 1864 and he wasn't that well received
anyway.
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Garibaldi was widely admired in 19th-century England. He was seen as
a liberal reformer who was pushing through the sort of reforms that
had already taken place in Britain. He was also seen as an enemy of
the papacy, at a time when anti-Catholicism of the sort we now only
associate with the likes of Ian Paisley was normal throughout England.
If the biscuit was invented in 1861, it would have been at the height
of Garibaldi's fame, and in those days it wasn't unusual to name things
after famous and admired people.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:34 pm
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Charles Riggs spake thusly:
| Quote: | On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:33:53 GMT, Martin Ambuhl
mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:
Boron Elgar wrote, in reply to John Dean:
If you folks would ditch the biscuits in favor of cookies, this would
not be a problem.
Perhaps John would rather not be tossing his cookies.
Again, I'd like to recommend Carr's Table Water biscuits. Far lower in
fat than the better known Ritz crackers, and just as good. Even better
with cheese on top, needless to say.
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Good Man. Water biscuits are the very best accompaniment for strong
Cheddar. I love 'em.
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David
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Will
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:22 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs spake thusly:
[...]
Again, I'd like to recommend Carr's Table Water biscuits. Far lower in
fat than the better known Ritz crackers, and just as good. Even better
with cheese on top, needless to say.
Good Man. Water biscuits are the very best accompaniment for strong
Cheddar. I love 'em.
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You need to be careful with water biscuits. Some varieties (possibly
including Carr's) contain hydrogenated vegetable oil which, together
with its bastard love child partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, is a
Bad Thing and must on no account whatsoever pass your lips.
I find Nairn's Oatcakes are also a fine accompaniment to all cheeses,
particularly Keen's or Montgomery's Cheddar, the two very best makers.
Will. |
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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:32 pm
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Matthew Huntbach wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, John Dean wrote:
The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known
to generations of school-children, was, according to the usual
reliable sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian
patriot. Some on-line sources suggest the name was applied because
Garibaldi had made a visit to England and was well received. From
what I can see, however, his visit to England was in 1864 and he
wasn't that well received anyway.
Garibaldi was widely admired in 19th-century England. He was seen as
a liberal reformer who was pushing through the sort of reforms that
had already taken place in Britain. He was also seen as an enemy of
the papacy, at a time when anti-Catholicism of the sort we now only
associate with the likes of Ian Paisley was normal throughout England.
If the biscuit was invented in 1861, it would have been at the height
of Garibaldi's fame, and in those days it wasn't unusual to name
things after famous and admired people.
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Okay, but why Garibaldi particularly? Who else has had a biscuit named
after them? (Apart from the entire Bourbon dynasty).
I note that G had an item of clothing named after him - in the grand
tradition of Wellingtons, Cardigans and such. But a biscuit? And why
that particular *type* of biscuit?
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John Dean
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John Dean
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:34 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
| Quote: | John Dean wrote:
The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known
to generations of school-children, was, according to the usual
reliable sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian
patriot. Some on-line sources suggest the name was applied because
Garibaldi had made a visit to England and was well received. From
what I can see, however, his visit to England was in 1864 and he
wasn't that well received anyway.
So - anyone confirm the biscuit was named after the famous Italian
General and American candle maker? (I'd be amazed if it wasn't).
Part two - Why? Why not the Lincoln biscuit, the Grant biscuit, the
Sherman biscuit?
Surely you've eaten a Lincoln biscuit?
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=20
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I've eaten many. But I didn't know they had a special name.
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John Dean
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:43 pm
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On 11 Jul 2005, John Dean wrote
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| Quote: | Okay, but why Garibaldi particularly? Who else has had a biscuit
named after them? (Apart from the entire Bourbon dynasty).
I note that G had an item of clothing named after him - in the
grand tradition of Wellingtons, Cardigans and such. But a biscuit?
And why that particular *type* of biscuit?
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(Imagine this in the typeface of a Victorian flyer, please.)
Because it is a REVOLUTIONARY and NEW COMESTIBLE, which when eaten in
moderation does wonders for one's CONSTITUTION. It SQUASHES the
OPPOSING FORCES OF REACTION like FLIES: without bloodshed, and
avoiding the need for RED SHIRTS.
(OK; I'll quit now...)
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Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
(for e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van) |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:48 pm
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John Dean spake thusly:
| Quote: | Matthew Huntbach wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, John Dean wrote:
The Garibaldi biscuit, or squashed fly biscuit as it has been known
to generations of school-children, was, according to the usual
reliable sources, invented in 1861 and named after the Italian
patriot. Some on-line sources suggest the name was applied because
Garibaldi had made a visit to England and was well received. From
what I can see, however, his visit to England was in 1864 and he
wasn't that well received anyway.
Garibaldi was widely admired in 19th-century England. He was seen as
a liberal reformer who was pushing through the sort of reforms that
had already taken place in Britain. He was also seen as an enemy of
the papacy, at a time when anti-Catholicism of the sort we now only
associate with the likes of Ian Paisley was normal throughout England.
If the biscuit was invented in 1861, it would have been at the height
of Garibaldi's fame, and in those days it wasn't unusual to name
things after famous and admired people.
Okay, but why Garibaldi particularly? Who else has had a biscuit named
after them? (Apart from the entire Bourbon dynasty).
I note that G had an item of clothing named after him - in the grand
tradition of Wellingtons, Cardigans and such. But a biscuit? And why
that particular *type* of biscuit?
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Alexi Sayle has a routine centering on why biscuits are named after
European revolutionaries, but I don't recall him getting any further
than Garibaldi and the Bourbons.
As to the biscuit, here's a comment from Stuart Payne of the
"sitdown" web site:
"There?s a raging debate about the Garibaldi biscuit," explains
Stuart. "Some people think it?s named after the unifier of Italy, but
it's been suggested that it was so named because the texture of the
biscuit reminded people of Garibaldi?s poor complexion."
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