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ycwhn
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:24 pm
Post subject: how should I read ''~' and '‥‥' |
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Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much. |
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meirman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:42 pm
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In alt.english.usage on 1 Jul 2005 06:24:16 -0700 ycwhn@hotmail.com
(ycwhn) posted:
| Quote: | Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
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The first is a hyphen (pron. highfen). If it were longer (wider), it
could be a dash.
The first character of the second is an ampersand. The second is a
pound sign or number sign. As in 3#'s of potatoes or #4, 3 pounds of
potatoes or number 4.
s/ meirman
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:54 pm
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on 1 Jul 2005 06:24:16 -0700 ycwhn@hotmail.com
(ycwhn) posted:
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of
''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so
much.
The first is a hyphen (pron. highfen). If it were longer (wider),
it
could be a dash.
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It comes out as a swung dash in my OE. This can be used in
dictionaries to indicate that the relevant word is repeated, as in:
"build...[swung dash]ing".
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The first character of the second is an ampersand. The second is a
pound sign or number sign. As in 3#'s of potatoes or #4, 3 pounds
of
potatoes or number 4.
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But (talking to ycwhn here) most non-Americans don't know it's also
called a "pound sign", and have only recently begun to use it as a
numeral sign. We generally call it "hash". I believe medical people
used to -- maybe still do -- use it to mean "fracture". To us, "pound
sign" instantly refers to the currency symbol, and the abbreviation
for "pound weight" is "lb". The conventional non-American
abbreviation for "number" is "No".
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John Dean
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:19 pm
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ycwhn wrote:
| Quote: | Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
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This is a "tilde". It's used as a diacritic, especially in Spanish but
it also has uses in mathematics and is found sometimes in web addresses
| Quote: | and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
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This is what you see when you're using a programme that can't read the
coding that was used to create what you're viewing.
http://www.geekstreet.com/unicode/index.html
gives a list -
http://geekstreet.com/unicode/2/0/ covers the range you want.
What was intended by what you quote was clearly a "two dot leader".
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meirman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:10 am
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In alt.english.usage on Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:19:54 +0100 "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> posted:
| Quote: | ycwhn wrote:
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
This is a "tilde". It's used as a diacritic, especially in Spanish but
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OOPS! By golly, it is! I've only used glasses at all since I was 50,
and I still don't normally use them with a computer screen. But I
had to put them on to see whhat it was just now.
BTW, Mike, what is a swung dash?
| Quote: | and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
This is what you see when you're using a programme that can't read the
coding that was used to create what you're viewing.
http://www.geekstreet.com/unicode/index.html
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An interesting first paragraph:
Unicode charts
These pages are best viewed with Mozilla which interprets all static
HTML as UTF-8 by default. MS in their wisdom does not support the full
UTF-8 set of glyphs. I haven't tested Opera or other browsers for
their UTF-8 compliance. UTF-8 is the same UCS as ISO 10646 at this
time the rules are that no glyph will ever be deleted from the set
only new ones added. Thanks to Simon Rawles who donated this resource
to GeekStreet.
s/ meirman
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:12 am
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meirman wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.english.usage on Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:19:54 +0100 "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> posted:
ycwhn wrote:
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of
''~'
This is a "tilde". It's used as a diacritic, especially in Spanish
but
OOPS! By golly, it is! I've only used glasses at all since I was
50,
and I still don't normally use them with a computer screen. But I
had to put them on to see whhat it was just now.
BTW, Mike, what is a swung dash?
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A tilde in the centre of the line.
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Pavel314
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:57 am
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"ycwhn" <ycwhn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e295dfca.0507010524.2211d637@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
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In symbolic logic, ~ means "not". A v ~A would be read "either A or not A"
for some statement A.
In mathematics it's sometimes used to indicate "approximately equal" but I
don't know if that's a formal usage or just shorthand.
Paul |
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Odysseus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:01 am
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Pavel314 wrote:
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"ycwhn" <ycwhn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e295dfca.0507010524.2211d637@posting.google.com...
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
In symbolic logic, ~ means "not". A v ~A would be read "either A or not A"
for some statement A.
In mathematics it's sometimes used to indicate "approximately equal" but I
don't know if that's a formal usage or just shorthand.
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With that meaning it's more often doubled, a wavy equals sign. The
lower dash is sometimes straight with the same meaning, but OTOH some
authors use that sign for equivalency (e.g. of sets) rather than
approximate equality in value. An equals sign with a tilde over it
often means "is congruent to".
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meirman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:01 am
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In alt.english.usage on Fri, 1 Jul 2005 18:57:00 -0400 "Pavel314"
<Pavel314@NOSPAM.comcast.net> posted:
| Quote: | "ycwhn" <ycwhn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e295dfca.0507010524.2211d637@posting.google.com...
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of ''~'
and '‥‥'? Will you please let me know it? Thanks so much.
In symbolic logic, ~ means "not". A v ~A would be read "either A or not A"
for some statement A.
In mathematics it's sometimes used to indicate "approximately equal" but I
don't know if that's a formal usage or just shorthand.
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In my limited experience, that is done with two "tildes", one above
the other, a squiggly = .
s/ meirman
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meirman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:01 am
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In alt.english.usage on Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:12:14 +0100 "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> posted:
| Quote: | meirman wrote:
In alt.english.usage on Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:19:54 +0100 "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> posted:
ycwhn wrote:
Well, I'd like to know how to read a kind of punctuation mark of
''~'
This is a "tilde". It's used as a diacritic, especially in Spanish
but
OOPS! By golly, it is! I've only used glasses at all since I was
50,
and I still don't normally use them with a computer screen. But I
had to put them on to see whhat it was just now.
BTW, Mike, what is a swung dash?
[...]
A tilde in the centre of the line.
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By golly, that's what the OP had!
s/ meirman
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