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Arthur
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:05 am
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I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
Thank you!
Arthur
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John of Aix
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:23 am
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Arthur wrote:
| Quote: | I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
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Try this. There are lots
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_derivations
and this
http://www.krysstal.com/borrow_dutch.html |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:28 am
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Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
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Many naval terms I believe... the only one I know off hand is:
yacht
Some military ones such as
forlorn hope (from verloren hoop)
without even develing into the many ones brought into the English
language from Dutch/Afrikaana in Southern Africa.
Axel
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:40 am
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axel@white-eagle.invalid.uk wrote:
| Quote: | without even develing into the many ones brought into the English
language from Dutch/Afrikaana in Southern Africa.
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opps... must have been typing away somewhat hastily
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Arthur
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:01 am
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John of Aix wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur wrote:
I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
Try this. There are lots
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Dutch_derivations
and this
http://www.krysstal.com/borrow_dutch.html
Thanks alot, John!!! |
Unbelievable!
Arthur |
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Arthur
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:30 am
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axel@white-eagle.invalid.uk wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
Many naval terms I believe... the only one I know off hand is:
yacht
Some military ones such as
forlorn hope (from verloren hoop)
without even develing into the many ones brought into the English
language from Dutch/Afrikaana in Southern Africa.
Axel
Thank you Axel. Have a look at the response of the next message, please! |
Arthur |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:55 pm
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:05:51 +0200, Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
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Dike/dyke is related to OE "ditch" and evidently came with the Danes.
I don't know how old the pronunciation is in terms such as "Offa's
Dyke" or "Wansdyke" (in areas well away from Viking settlement) but I
wonder if they suggest that it's even older. No doubt OED has more on
the subject. "Dyke" is the standard term for a ditch or bank in my
region (E. England). There's a village called Dyke which stands by the
old Roman(?) "Car Dyke". There are many Danish place name elements
locally.
AFAIK, "Polder" isn't really naturalised into English as such. We only
use it as the name of the reclaimed land in the Netherlands. We
describe the equivalent as "fens" (or The Fens) in eastern England -
whether drained or not. I believe there's a similar element (ven?) in
some Dutch place names. There are also the Somerset Levels and Romney
Marsh in other parts of the country - and perhaps other local names
for marshy or reclaimed land.
The Holland area of Lincolnshire has a lot of fens and has had a lot
of Dutch influence but the name is ancient and arose independently,
meaning low-lying land.
Some say the word "fuck" came from Dutch seamen (careful how you say
that) in the C16th but it doesn't seem to be confirmed.
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Arthur
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:33 am
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Phil C. wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:05:51 +0200, Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
Dike/dyke is related to OE "ditch" and evidently came with the Danes.
I don't know how old the pronunciation is in terms such as "Offa's
Dyke" or "Wansdyke" (in areas well away from Viking settlement) but I
wonder if they suggest that it's even older. No doubt OED has more on
the subject. "Dyke" is the standard term for a ditch or bank in my
region (E. England). There's a village called Dyke which stands by the
old Roman(?) "Car Dyke". There are many Danish place name elements
locally.
AFAIK, "Polder" isn't really naturalised into English as such. We only
use it as the name of the reclaimed land in the Netherlands. We
describe the equivalent as "fens" (or The Fens) in eastern England -
whether drained or not. I believe there's a similar element (ven?) in
some Dutch place names. There are also the Somerset Levels and Romney
Marsh in other parts of the country - and perhaps other local names
for marshy or reclaimed land.
The Holland area of Lincolnshire has a lot of fens and has had a lot
of Dutch influence but the name is ancient and arose independently,
meaning low-lying land.
Some say the word "fuck" came from Dutch seamen (careful how you say
that) in the C16th but it doesn't seem to be confirmed.
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Very interesting what you wrote about 'dyke' and 'polder' . Thanks too
for the 'fuck' remark at the end of your message. It would really be
interesting fo find out where the word came from!
Arthur |
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Erick Andrews
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:15 am
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:33:24 UTC, Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Phil C. wrote:
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| Quote: | Some say the word "fuck" came from Dutch seamen (careful how you say
that) in the C16th but it doesn't seem to be confirmed.
Very interesting what you wrote about 'dyke' and 'polder' . Thanks too
for the 'fuck' remark at the end of your message. It would really be
interesting fo find out where the word came from!
Arthur
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Oh, such a grand old word.
Some theories suggest "Fornication Using Carnal Knowledge", others
from Germanic "Feigin" meaning the devil. I don't think you'll ever get
a definitive [root] answer.
My latest (2004) "Concise OED" just says of Germanic origin.
Even if you might get a doctoral thesis on the word, many would
disagree. That kind of makes it mysterious, but we all know -- in
whatever context -- it means. In Dutch, too.
--
Best,
Erick Andrews
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hawker@btinternet.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:33 am
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Quite a lot of Dutch words come from beggars slang, called dog Latin, such
as booze for example.
"Arthur" <plc@postmark.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right group
to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
Thank you!
Arthur
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:13 am
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On Saturday, in article
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plc@postmark.net "Arthur" wrote:
| Quote: | I have another question, but I'm not sure whether this is the right
group to ask it. If it isn't , please tell me.
Here is my question:
There are not so many words of Dutch origin in the English language.
Some, I believe, are:
polder - dyke (dike ?) - Santa Claus (in American English) = from
Dutch 'Sinterklaas' , but I am not sure about the last one.
Is there anyone who knows others?
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Poppycock!
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk
"Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu
le loisir de la faire plus courte."
Blaise Pascal, /Lettres Provinciales/, 1657 |
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:12 pm
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Erick Andrews wrote:
| Quote: | My latest (2004) "Concise OED" just says of Germanic origin.
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A four letter word,
A four letter word..
Will never let you down.
It might rhyme with 'cookbook' or 'Richard the Third',
That wonderful one, two, three,
Four letter word!
Paul Burke |
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Arthur
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:28 pm
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Erick Andrews wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:33:24 UTC, Arthur <plc@postmark.net> wrote:
Phil C. wrote:
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Some say the word "fuck" came from Dutch seamen (careful how you say
that) in the C16th but it doesn't seem to be confirmed.
Very interesting what you wrote about 'dyke' and 'polder' . Thanks too
for the 'fuck' remark at the end of your message. It would really be
interesting fo find out where the word came from!
Arthur
Oh, such a grand old word.
Some theories suggest "Fornication Using Carnal Knowledge", others
from Germanic "Feigin" meaning the devil. I don't think you'll ever get
a definitive [root] answer.
My latest (2004) "Concise OED" just says of Germanic origin.
Even if you might get a doctoral thesis on the word, many would
disagree. That kind of makes it mysterious, but we all know -- in
whatever context -- it means. In Dutch, too.
Thank you for your response. But what the devil has to do with it....... |
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Arthur
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:30 pm
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | Erick Andrews wrote:
My latest (2004) "Concise OED" just says of Germanic origin.
A four letter word,
A four letter word..
Will never let you down.
It might rhyme with 'cookbook' or 'Richard the Third',
That wonderful one, two, three,
Four letter word!
Paul Burke
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Nise & funny poem......
Arthur |
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Didier Leroi
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:28 pm
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:55:22 +0100, Phil C.
<philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> écrivait, schreef, wrote:
| Quote: | AFAIK, "Polder" isn't really naturalised into English as such. We only
use it as the name of the reclaimed land in the Netherlands. We
describe the equivalent as "fens" (or The Fens) in eastern England -
whether drained or not. I believe there's a similar element (ven?) in
some Dutch place names.
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Veen? The place named "Hogeveen" for example.
Regards,
Didier |
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