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David
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:10 pm
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In article <3i9po4Fkd7nkU1@individual.net>, Mike Stevens
<michael.stevens@which.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
In article <3i1kekFjffp5U1@individual.net>, Mike Stevens
michael.stevens@which.net> wrote:
And under "feria" OED gives two meanings, the ecclesiatical one
and a synonym of "fair".
Sorry, didn't realise the OED was a Latin Dic.
"Feria" is not exclusively a Latin word. It has a history of use in
English, which is what tyhe OED entry describes,
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So it was just a red herring then? Unless you're saying that feria is
an English word which derives from OFr "feire", or an English use of a
Latin word to provide a Latin equivalent of "fair", neither of which
really helps in our quest to determine whether or not fair or its
ancestry originally meant "holiday" (with whatever connotation that
word had).
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http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/aureole/30-speak1.htm
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:23 pm
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | John Briggs wrote:
As the word (feire/faire) seems to have been adopted very late from
OFr, you do have to wonder what they were called before - or if the
phenomenon simply didn't exist. It doesn't seem to occur much in
place-names, for example (except for field and streets).
All those 'chipping', 'chip','cheap' and 'chep' names, related to
chapman (though not Keats), shopping, kaufen, and Copenhagen?
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Exactly. You have "Chipping" (also sometimes "Port"), and later "Market".
If you call it a "Fair", is it different? If so, it must be a late
introduction.
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:32 pm
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | All those 'chipping', 'chip','cheap' and 'chep' names, related to
chapman (though not Keats), shopping, kaufen, and Copenhagen?
Exactly. You have "Chipping" (also sometimes "Port"), and later "Market".
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But back to the function of 'fair', whatever you call it, as a holiday
in the modern sense. Point 1: the Polish national motto, a change of
occupation is as good as a rest. Big markets were infrequent (annual or
biennial) events. Point 2: most people would have rarely possessed much
of a float of cash, except when they had made a successful sale of
surplus goods or produce- at the market. Hence the gathering of CMOTs
and suchlike charlatans at such events, the holiday- type consumption,
the frivolous activities.
We are looking back here at an age when leisure was a luxury only
available to the very rich (and the very poor if the songs are to be
believed). The non- productive activities that separate the idea of
leisure from work would have to be snatched wherever available- such as
fairs and holy days. No vacations then- you didn't travel for fun.
Paul Burke
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