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Isabelle Cecchini
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:22 pm
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Don Phillipson a écrit :
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| Quote: | 3. If you want to stick the knife in, call your
French Canadian friend ketaine (from English
kitten: it refers to his aesthetic taste.)
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Nice page in French here about "quétaine":
http://www.rabaska.com/super/chroniques/2001/04/quetaine_go.htm
It mentions various theories about the possible origin of the word,
including connections to to a Keating --or Keaton-- family, ot to the
French word "gitane", before coming to the most probable conclusion:
that it is related to French "quêteux", "quêter" = beggar, to beg.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:39 pm
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On 16 Jun 2005 23:52:11 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net>
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| Quote: | HLA filted:
Marko Jotic wrote:
yes, it used to be insulting like "canuck" was until we had the "Crazy
Canucks" ski team
Canuck was never derogatoty. It was used durinng WWII as a promotional
thing. Even had Johnny Canuck comics.
"Johnny Canuck, a Captain in the Allied air forces, is Canada's answer
to Nazi oppression, operating like a freelance agent. He is also
referred to as "Canada's super hero." "
In the novel "Love Story" (and perhaps in the film as well), the first time
Oliver and Jenny meet he's recovering from a black eye received at the hands of
a hockey opponent that he's called "a fucking Canuck"...granted, we're talking
about hockey players here, but a remark that would trigger such a response would
still have to come under the heading of derogation....r
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Wouldn't that come under the rule that any term can be derogatory if
used in a derogatory manner? It's easy to imagine a player saying
"That fucking Canuck is high-sticking." and later saying "Those
Canuck women in the stands are fucking awesome." The only thing
derogatory about the first statement is the specific outburst.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:42 pm
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Tony Cooper filted:
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On 16 Jun 2005 23:52:11 -0700, R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net
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In the novel "Love Story" (and perhaps in the film as well), the first time
Oliver and Jenny meet he's recovering from a black eye received at the hands of
a hockey opponent that he's called "a fucking Canuck"...granted, we're talking
about hockey players here, but a remark that would trigger such a response would
still have to come under the heading of derogation....r
Wouldn't that come under the rule that any term can be derogatory if
used in a derogatory manner? It's easy to imagine a player saying
"That fucking Canuck is high-sticking." and later saying "Those
Canuck women in the stands are fucking awesome." The only thing
derogatory about the first statement is the specific outburst.
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You're asking me to go back over thirty years now...it's just possible that I
still have my paperback copy around here somewhere after all this time, and if
so I'll find the specific passage, but I'm fairly certain that, at least in
Oliver's mind, it was the word "Canuck" that got him a stick in the puss....
(ObReciprocalNationalInsult: in the aftermath of their "cheese-eating surrender
monkey" imbroglio with the French, an episode of "The Simpsons" had the crew of
a Canadian ship taunting a group of Americans by calling them "Mexico-touching
Shatner-stealers")....r |
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retrosorter
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:43 pm
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The term Canuck used to be derogatory in New England when irt referred
to some American of Canadian origin, and I think French-Canadian origin
in particular. Those old enough might remember a supposed reference by
Sen Muskie of Maine toward "Canucks" that led to the unravelling of his
bid for the Democratic nomination for President- I think it was in the
60s.
In Canada, I've never heard anyone take umbrage at being called a
Canuck. In fact, when Pat Buchanan referred to Canada as "'Kanukistan"
because he perceived Canada as being soft on terrorism, we found the
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Mark Brader
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:58 pm
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Tony Cooper writes:
| Quote: | Wouldn't that come under the rule that any term can be derogatory if
used in a derogatory manner? It's easy to imagine a player saying
"That fucking Canuck is high-sticking." and later saying "Those
Canuck women in the stands are fucking awesome." The only thing
derogatory about the first statement is the specific outburst.
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In Tony's first example, "Canuck" could also mean a member of the
team called the Vancouver Canucks. The team was formed in 1970, and
there was no controversy over their name at the time.
When the novel "The African Queen" was filmed in 1951, there was a
lobby group agitating in Hollywood for getting Canadian references
into movies. (I am not making this up.) As Charlie Allnut was
being played by an American anyway, namely Humphrey Bogart, the
filmmakers changed him from a Cockney to a Canadian. And how does
he describe himself? A Canuck.
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Mark Brader, Toronto | "Pleasant dreams!"
msb@vex.net | "I'll dream of Canada." -- THE SUSPECT
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:15 pm
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On 17 Jun 2005 08:43:45 -0700, "retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca>
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| Quote: | The term Canuck used to be derogatory in New England when irt referred
to some American of Canadian origin, and I think French-Canadian origin
in particular. Those old enough might remember a supposed reference by
Sen Muskie of Maine toward "Canucks" that led to the unravelling of his
bid for the Democratic nomination for President- I think it was in the
60s.
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By the late 80s to early 90s, when I lived in Maine, it was still
considered derogatory by Bangor residents.
| Quote: | In Canada, I've never heard anyone take umbrage at being called a
Canuck. In fact, when Pat Buchanan referred to Canada as "'Kanukistan"
because he perceived Canada as being soft on terrorism, we found the
term amusing albeit ignorant.
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I didn't realize it I when I lived in Maine, but later learned by
reading posts from AUE Canadians that 'Canuck' isn't considered
derogatory in Canada, as you say.
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Charles Riggs
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:15 pm
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:58:06 -0000, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
| Quote: | When the novel "The African Queen" was filmed in 1951, there was a
lobby group agitating in Hollywood for getting Canadian references
into movies. (I am not making this up.) As Charlie Allnut was
being played by an American anyway, namely Humphrey Bogart, the
filmmakers changed him from a Cockney to a Canadian. And how does
he describe himself? A Canuck.
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I don't remember Bogie saying that in the film. Are you sure?
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Charles Riggs
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