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Peter Moylan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:53 am
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Rattus The RAT turpitued:
| Quote: | En tout cas "buveux de pepsi" (comme toé) c'est pas trop un compliment! Le
québec c'est comme le tiers monde, pepsi domine alors que le monde civilisé
boivent du coke.
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Je ne suis pas d'accord avec cette dernière phrase. Le monde civilisé
boit ni du coke ni du pepsi.
Question du langage (je ne suis pas francophone, étant ici du
alt.usage.english) : est-ce qu'on utilise normalement une verbe
au pluriel avec "le monde" ? J'aurais cru que c'était un usage
typiquement anglais.
Our local Pizza Hut often offers a reduced-price deal for the combination
of a pizza and a bottle of Pepsi. If I ask for "the special deal but
without the Pepsi" it doesn't work. If I decide to take the bottle
anyway, and then offer it back to the staff as a gift, nobody will
take the gift because nobody there likes Pepsi. As a result, the garbage
bin outside the shop fills up with unopened bottles of Pepsi.
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Peter Moylan peter at ee dot newcastle dot edu dot au
http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au (OS/2 and eCS information and software) |
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Rattus The RAT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:56 am
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"Ben Mercier" <NObenmercierSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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sage@allstream.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
ntZre.2388$g4.32754@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
"retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1118853095.605579.271690@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The epithet "pepsi" or "pepsi mae west" has for a long time been
applied to French Canadians, by English- Canadians because of their
supposed preference for Pepsi over Coke and for liking the chocolate
bar called Mae West. Does anyone know when this term originated and
whether it still is considered insulting? The reason I ask is because a
couple of daysd a group of Quebecois youths referring to each other as
"pepsis" in a light-hearted manner.
Yes, if directed by an anglophone at a francophone. Also franco to franco
if
used in a disparaging tone of voice (the class thing, doncher know. And
yes,
it exists everywhere. The class thing, I mean.)
On the other hand, the way it was used in your case was not unusual
either.
It's a joke. They probably used "f*ck", too. To them, it wouldn't be
swearing.
Fuck is used and no, it's not swearing.
But "Pepsi" is not used to describe someone else in Quebec, period. (There
is no such thing as "lower class" = Pepsi's)
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En tout cas "buveux de pepsi" (comme toé) c'est pas trop un compliment! Le
québec c'est comme le tiers monde, pepsi domine alors que le monde civilisé
boivent du coke.
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Rattus The RAT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:16 am
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"Robert Pauzé" <pauze@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Les origines sont plus lointaines que la publicté de Meunier. La vraie
raison c'est qu'effectivement il se vendait plus de Pepsi que de Coke au
Québec et à cette époque pour le même prix, le format du Pepsi était plus
gros. Donc les anglos nous considéraient comme des 'CHEAPS' de boire une
marque qui offrait quelques onces de plus pour le mëme prix. On laissait
sous-entendre que l'on sacrifiait la qualité pour la quantité.
Effectivement, il s'est toujours plus vendu de pepsi que de coke au Québec
et nous serions donc une exception en amérique.
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Des colons! |
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Rattus The RAT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:18 am
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"retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I seem to remember first hearing the term "pepsi" used to describe
French-Canadians in the 1960s and the term supposedly derived for the
preference among French Canadians of Pepsi over Coke. It always struck
me as a not-too-malicious designation - somewhat akin to "'frog"(for a
Frenchman). "kraut" (for a German) and "pea soup" (for French
Canadians) because of culinary preferences. The former Prime Minister
Jean Chretien used to say that he was proud to be a "pea soup." But
whereas, French-Canadians seemed aware of the designation "pea soup",
I got the impression that the designation "pepsi" was not as well
known, that is why I was surprised when I heard French Canadians using
the term "pepsi" to describe themselves. Also , I seem to recall that
sometime in the 1980s, the term "pepsi" morphed into "pepper" and this
became probably the more common designation.
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Pepper? Are you talking about Dr. Pepper? it would be really dumb to call
Pepsi "Pepper" with Dr. Pepper around!
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:33 am
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In alt.usage.english Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net> wrote:
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} Although Coop likes to argue this, a US restaurant can serve either
} Coca-Cola (the Real Thing) or Pepsi-Cola, but not both. I suspect it
} works the same way in other countries.
How about supermarkets? Can they sell either Coca Cola or Pepsi Cola, but
not both? If a restaurant sells HoJo Cola, can it sell Dr Pepper?
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@theWorld.com>
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lxe-14
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:39 am
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<sage@allstream.net> a écrit dans le message de
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"retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1118853095.605579.271690@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The epithet "pepsi" or "pepsi mae west" has for a long time been
applied to French Canadians, by English- Canadians because of their
supposed preference for Pepsi over Coke and for liking the chocolate
bar called Mae West. Does anyone know when this term originated and
whether it still is considered insulting? The reason I ask is because a
couple of daysd a group of Quebecois youths referring to each other as
"pepsis" in a light-hearted manner.
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30-40 years ago, Pepsi was cheaper than Coke, and french canadian only
bought Coke for special occasion. the rich anglo was drinking Coke and the
poor franco was drinking pepsi. Thats it.
First time I hear the epithet Mae West.
In 2005, only frogs or french frogs is being used usually. There are many
reasons about that epithet. But I think it was because we were eating frog's
leg. (Its not from me, saw that on a tv show). Rarely someone will use Pepsi
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lxe-14
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:41 am
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"Denis Beauregard" <no@nospam.com.invalid> a écrit dans le message de
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| Quote: | Le 15 Jun 2005 09:31:35 -0700, "retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca
écrivait dans soc.culture.quebec:
The epithet "pepsi" or "pepsi mae west" has for a long time been
applied to French Canadians, by English- Canadians because of their
supposed preference for Pepsi over Coke and for liking the chocolate
bar called Mae West. Does anyone know when this term originated and
whether it still is considered insulting? The reason I ask is because a
couple of daysd a group of Quebecois youths referring to each other as
"pepsis" in a light-hearted manner.
Why do you consider them as insulting ?
Pepsi: it seems only Quebeckers purchase more pepsi than coke. The
reason seems to be the advertisements. In Quebec, Pepsi is using
Claude Meunier, humorist and author of La Petite Vie, a very popular
sitcom (I think it scored among the 5 or 10 more seen programs and
even the replays were in the top 10 of a typical season). So, calling
us "pepsi" is not very meaningfull. It only means we drink more pepsi
and this is only because of the choice of Meunier.
May West: this is not a chocolat bar but a cake. Again, this is not
very insulting. The name is from a local made pastry by Stuart,
purchased in 1979 by Vachon (company renamed Culinar in 1977 but
Vachon was kept as a brand) and owned by Saputo since 1999.
http://www.vachon.com/produits.php?lg=en and click May West to see
what is a May West !
Calling "black" a black is not by itselt insulting. It is by
associating it to pejorative names that you change the scope.
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tu es complètement dans le champs, l'expression Pepsi date de bien avant
Claude Meunier. 20 ans avant probablement. (1950-60). |
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lxe-14
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:41 am
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"Robert Pauzé" <pauze@videotron.ca> a écrit dans le message de
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| Quote: | Les origines sont plus lointaines que la publicté de Meunier. La vraie
raison c'est qu'effectivement il se vendait plus de Pepsi que de Coke au
Québec et à cette époque pour le même prix, le format du Pepsi était plus
gros. Donc les anglos nous considéraient comme des 'CHEAPS' de boire une
marque qui offrait quelques onces de plus pour le mëme prix. On laissait
sous-entendre que l'on sacrifiait la qualité pour la quantité.
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lxe-14
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:43 am
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| Quote: | 3. If you want to stick the knife in, call your
French Canadian friend ketaine (from English
kitten: it refers to his aesthetic taste.)
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there is nothing more kétaine in this country than any english canadian,
lol.
So, call us kétaine, we will just laugh at you . |
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lxe-14
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:44 am
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"Agnostica" <agnostica@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
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"retrosorter" <hrichler@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1118853095.605579.271690@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The epithet "pepsi" or "pepsi mae west" has for a long time been
applied to French Canadians, by English- Canadians because of their
supposed preference for Pepsi over Coke and for liking the chocolate
bar called Mae West. Does anyone know when this term originated and
whether it still is considered insulting? The reason I ask is because a
couple of daysd a group of Quebecois youths referring to each other as
"pepsis" in a light-hearted manner.
Frenchies were also called Peppers and Frogs.
Not so much any more.
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Peppers ? Well thats another new one for me. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:15 am
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Roland Hutchinson wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:53:44 +0000 (UTC),
peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) wrote:
Our local Pizza Hut often offers a reduced-price deal for the combination
of a pizza and a bottle of Pepsi. If I ask for "the special deal but
without the Pepsi" it doesn't work. If I decide to take the bottle
anyway, and then offer it back to the staff as a gift, nobody will
take the gift because nobody there likes Pepsi. As a result, the garbage
bin outside the shop fills up with unopened bottles of Pepsi.
The garbage bin is exactly where substandard colas belong,
And substandard pizza, too.
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Pizza Hut doesn't serve pizza. |
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:24 am
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In alt.usage.english Roland Hutchinson <my.spamtrap@verizon.ent> wrote:
} Charles Riggs wrote:
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}> The garbage bin is exactly where substandard colas belong,
}
} And substandard pizza, too.
Uh oh!
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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@theWorld.com> |
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Roland Hutchinson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:15 am
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:53:44 +0000 (UTC),
peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) wrote:
Our local Pizza Hut often offers a reduced-price deal for the combination
of a pizza and a bottle of Pepsi. If I ask for "the special deal but
without the Pepsi" it doesn't work. If I decide to take the bottle
anyway, and then offer it back to the staff as a gift, nobody will
take the gift because nobody there likes Pepsi. As a result, the garbage
bin outside the shop fills up with unopened bottles of Pepsi.
The garbage bin is exactly where substandard colas belong,
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And substandard pizza, too.
--
Roland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food.
NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to
remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:15 am
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:23:57 +0100, Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net>
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| Quote: | Although Coop likes to argue this, a US restaurant can serve either
Coca-Cola (the Real Thing) or Pepsi-Cola, but not both. I suspect it
works the same way in other countries.
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Of course I'll argue with it. The statement is dead wrong. Change
the "can" to "may", and it's still dead wrong.
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Tony Cooper
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:16 am
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:53:44 +0000 (UTC),
peter@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) wrote:
| Quote: | Our local Pizza Hut often offers a reduced-price deal for the combination
of a pizza and a bottle of Pepsi. If I ask for "the special deal but
without the Pepsi" it doesn't work. If I decide to take the bottle
anyway, and then offer it back to the staff as a gift, nobody will
take the gift because nobody there likes Pepsi. As a result, the garbage
bin outside the shop fills up with unopened bottles of Pepsi.
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The garbage bin is exactly where substandard colas belong, but Pizza
Hut is stuck with this one. From their web site, I see:
'Another important step in our growth came in 1977 when Pizza Hut was
acquired by one of the true giants of international business: PepsiCo,
Inc. As part of the PepsiCo corporate family, Pizza Hut shared its
leadership position with such fine products as Pepsi-Cola® brand soft
drinks and Frito-Lay® brand snack foods.'
Although Coop likes to argue this, a US restaurant can serve either
Coca-Cola (the Real Thing) or Pepsi-Cola, but not both. I suspect it
works the same way in other countries. |
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