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Sally
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:00 pm
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So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal |
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octo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:29 am
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Sally,
Strange group of choices: yale, brown and CMU. With the exception of
Yale, you can find easy equivalents in the left coast: stanford,
Pomona and Harvey Mud, many UCs and Caltech.
The only distinct schools in the East are those two in Cambridge and
may be Johns Hopkins for BioSciences and Duke for mild weather.
As on itinerary, you must have a pretty good idea after guiding your
child to target matriculation at Yale.
Just mho.
sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message news:<2398fe97.0403160700.7d4f7f11@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal |
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PJ
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:23 am
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message news:<2398fe97.0403160700.7d4f7f11@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal
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My son has also applied to Brown and is awaiting the April firstish
notification. A few weeks back he flew into Providence from the West
Coast and the fares were quite reasonable and significantly less than
flying into Boston. So you might want to consider Providence as a
base.......good luck.
Pat |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:55 am
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"PJ" <pjmsj21@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message
news:<2398fe97.0403160700.7d4f7f11@posting.google.com>...
So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal
My son has also applied to Brown and is awaiting the April firstish
notification. A few weeks back he flew into Providence from the West
Coast and the fares were quite reasonable and significantly less than
flying into Boston. So you might want to consider Providence as a
base.......good luck.
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Other alternatives:
Jet Blue to JFK.
SW or others to MacArthur-Islip or White Plains-Westchester, if cheaper, and
renting a car.
Fly to Pitt or 8 hour drive from NYC.
Train to New Haven or 90 minute drive from NYC.
Train to Providence from New Haven, or drive I-95.
All three schools are study hard / party hard schools.
Best of luck,
Abe |
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Sally
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:29 am
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octogenarian@hotmail.com (octo) wrote in message news:<a0eff15b.0403161529.7b62454e@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Sally,
Strange group of choices: yale, brown and CMU. With the exception of
Yale, you can find easy equivalents in the left coast: stanford,
Pomona and Harvey Mud, many UCs and Caltech.
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Well, yes and no. The obnoxious truth is, colleges want geographic
diversity. So for a west coast denizen, it is easier to get into east
coast schools. In addition, where can you find Brown/RISD on the west
coast?
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The only distinct schools in the East are those two in Cambridge and
may be Johns Hopkins for BioSciences and Duke for mild weather.
As on itinerary, you must have a pretty good idea after guiding your
child to target matriculation at Yale.
Just mho.
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Just because I know that Yale has a great reputation doesn't mean I
know how to get around in that area.
Sal
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message news:<2398fe97.0403160700.7d4f7f11@posting.google.com>...
So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal |
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harry
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:07 am
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Sally - the cheapest fairs, other than Jet Blue anywhere, is Providence.
From Providence Yale is a short ride by car or rail.
I have seen your early messages regarding alcohol and drugs. I am not
condemning Brown as my son has several friends there and they absolutely
love the school, city and life at Brown. These are top of the class students
both taking extra courses as they are doing well. Both are undecided but
looking at eventually considering a medical career in either application or
research. But, each will tell you that you can get high from walking down
the dorm halls. Pot is the standard alternative form of currency. Great
school, but you sounded put off by this in earlier messages. Not an issue
for us, but could be so ask the questions.
"Sally" <sunsol@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal |
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Sally
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:05 pm
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c38en2$2572b3$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | "PJ" <pjmsj21@aol.com> wrote in message
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message
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So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont' even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best. Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal
My son has also applied to Brown and is awaiting the April firstish
notification. A few weeks back he flew into Providence from the West
Coast and the fares were quite reasonable and significantly less than
flying into Boston. So you might want to consider Providence as a
base.......good luck.
Other alternatives:
Jet Blue to JFK.
SW or others to MacArthur-Islip or White Plains-Westchester, if cheaper, and
renting a car.
Fly to Pitt or 8 hour drive from NYC.
Train to New Haven or 90 minute drive from NYC.
Train to Providence from New Haven, or drive I-95.
All three schools are study hard / party hard schools.
Best of luck,
Abe
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Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
Also, thanks for the travel info.
Sal |
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SJG
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:55 pm
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On 3/17/04 8:05 AM, in article
2398fe97.0403170805.fb73695@posting.google.com, "Sally" <sunsol@prodigy.net>
wrote:
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Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
Sal
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Do you want to pick colleges based on *dorms*? I'd first figure out how
long students live in dorms. At Berkeley, you'd be a little weird to live
in the dorms for more than your first year. And my friends that attended
UCLA didn't stay in the dorms for very long either.
Also, at Berkeley, theme dorms were usually just a single floor on a dorm.
Thus, life on a theme floor wasn't much different than life on a non-theme
floor. I suppose you'd just get a roommate (or two or three) who marked
similar categories as you, but (at Berkeley) they do this anyway.
If you, or your child, is worried about your child's living situation, I
think a better thing to do would be to visit the various dorms. Some dorms
are markedly nicer than others, and I would imagine that this would have a
larger effect on his/her life than living in a themed dorm. Furthermore,
ask how they assign roommates -- randomly or through a matching process.
And find out what the process is if roommates are incompatible.
Your child will find people with similar interests to live with after
his/her first year, and, in some sense, can create his/her own mini-themed
dorm with them :)
S. |
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Alcibiades
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:11 am
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message news:<2398fe97.0403170805.fb73695@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | "Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c38en2$2572b3$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"PJ" <pjmsj21@aol.com> wrote in message
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message
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Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
Also, thanks for the travel info.
Sal
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Almost all applicants to Yale know about the residential college
system. If an applicant is admitted and matriculates, he/she is
assigned to a residential college (dorms with dining halls, gyms, and
other amenenities) where he/she will live for four years. As a
freshman, each college has its own freshman dorm on Old Campus.
Selection is basically random.
What this means for you is that Yale has no substance free dorms.
In addition, Yale funds parties with alcohol in all of its dorm for
certain special events...
Basically, it sounds like Yale is not the place for you if you want a
party free / substance free environment, because Yale is set up to
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Sally
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:42 am
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SJG <ucb_gal@pleaseremove.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BC7DC2EF.AC72%ucb_gal@pleaseremove.yahoo.com>...
| Quote: | On 3/17/04 8:05 AM, in article
2398fe97.0403170805.fb73695@posting.google.com, "Sally" <sunsol@prodigy.net
wrote:
Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
Sal
Do you want to pick colleges based on *dorms*?
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In part, yes. The student wants to live someplace with a studious atmosphere.
| Quote: | I'd first figure out how
long students live in dorms. At Berkeley, you'd be a little weird to live
in the dorms for more than your first year.
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Yes, that is true, but it could be one miserable year.
And my friends that attended
| Quote: | UCLA didn't stay in the dorms for very long either.
Also, at Berkeley, theme dorms were usually just a single floor on a dorm.
Thus, life on a theme floor wasn't much different than life on a non-theme
floor.
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I disagree.
I suppose you'd just get a roommate (or two or three) who marked
| Quote: | similar categories as you, but (at Berkeley) they do this anyway.
If you, or your child, is worried about your child's living situation, I
think a better thing to do would be to visit the various dorms. Some dorms
are markedly nicer than others, and I would imagine that this would have a
larger effect on his/her life than living in a themed dorm.
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Again, I disagree.
Furthermore,
| Quote: | ask how they assign roommates -- randomly or through a matching process.
And find out what the process is if roommates are incompatible.
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Good point. This is also a consideration.
| Quote: |
Your child will find people with similar interests to live with after
his/her first year, and, in some sense, can create his/her own mini-themed
dorm with them 
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Right.
Sal |
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Dick Startz
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On 17 Mar 2004 16:11:10 -0800, antmatic@aol.com (Alcibiades) wrote:
| Quote: | sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message news:<2398fe97.0403170805.fb73695@posting.google.com>...
"Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c38en2$2572b3$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"PJ" <pjmsj21@aol.com> wrote in message
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message
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Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
Also, thanks for the travel info.
Sal
Almost all applicants to Yale know about the residential college
system. If an applicant is admitted and matriculates, he/she is
assigned to a residential college (dorms with dining halls, gyms, and
other amenenities) where he/she will live for four years. As a
freshman, each college has its own freshman dorm on Old Campus.
Selection is basically random.
What this means for you is that Yale has no substance free dorms.
In addition, Yale funds parties with alcohol in all of its dorm for
certain special events...
Basically, it sounds like Yale is not the place for you if you want a
party free / substance free environment, because Yale is set up to
expose you to everything from the beginning.
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Let me add three pieces of advice.
(1) Compared to the west coast, all the east coast schools are
practically next door to one another. Getting from one to another if
you have a car is not much of an issue. (Okay, CMU is a little further
away.)
(2) I teach at the University of Washington and have a freshman
daughter at Yale. They are both incredibly good schools. Other than
that the experience at one has nothing in common with the experience
at the other. UW and the UC schools versus Brown, Yale, etc. are
really comparing apples and oranges.
(3) Unless you have special reasons to be concerned, a substance free
dorm ought to be way down on the list of reasons to pick a school - if
only because there are so many other more important differences. My
daughter reports that Yale is awash in alcohol, but she finds it
mostly just amusing.
-Dick Startz
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Richard Startz RichardStartz1@comcast.net
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 9:38 am
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"Sally" <sunsol@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:2398fe97.0403170805.fb73695@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:<c38en2$2572b3$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"PJ" <pjmsj21@aol.com> wrote in message
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sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote in message
news:<2398fe97.0403160700.7d4f7f11@posting.google.com>...
So we are supposed to hear from Yale and Brown April first. And
Carnegie Mellon April 15 ( I can't believe that date!!). I dont'
even
think acceptace is likely at any of these schools. But spring break
starts April 3, and we are planning to go. Any tips for travel
plans?
I guess we will be going to CMU. But one or both of the others may
get
crossed off the list just before we leave. We have to buy tickets in
advance, otherwise, they get very expensive. We are west coast
people,
flying into Providence, JFK, or whatever people think is best.
Thanks
for any advice you have.
Sal
My son has also applied to Brown and is awaiting the April firstish
notification. A few weeks back he flew into Providence from the West
Coast and the fares were quite reasonable and significantly less than
flying into Boston. So you might want to consider Providence as a
base.......good luck.
Other alternatives:
Jet Blue to JFK.
SW or others to MacArthur-Islip or White Plains-Westchester, if cheaper,
and
renting a car.
Fly to Pitt or 8 hour drive from NYC.
Train to New Haven or 90 minute drive from NYC.
Train to Providence from New Haven, or drive I-95.
All three schools are study hard / party hard schools.
Best of luck,
Abe
Abe,
Thanks for the headsup. I guess at the time of application I thought
that sub-free dorms were a possibility at those private schools. But I
don't think so now. I don't know. Maybe we should forget about this
trip, since, as I said, acceptance at all three is unlikely. In
addition, several west coast acceptances are in. I think a couple of
those schools would be a good match. UCLA has a Health and Wellness
dorm. Maybe that could work. University of Washington, Seattle has
sub-free dorms. Combine that with the honors program, and it looks
like a winner. Davis also has a sub-free dorm. We haven't heard from
Berkeley yet, but it has a sub-free dorm.
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Frankly I wonder if ANY college is drug and alcohol free.
No offense, but the notion of a substance-free dorm at Berkeley is like a no
sex zone in a harem.
If you are unsure about the trip, might I suggest postponing the trip to
April and then your student can concentrate on visiting the schools she was
accepted to and seriously considering attending.
| Quote: | Also, thanks for the travel info.
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You are welcome.
Abe |
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Hattie Brown
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Sally
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Frankly I wonder if ANY college is drug and alcohol free.
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I am sure there are drugs and alcohol at every college. That is not
the question at hand.
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No offense, but the notion of a substance-free dorm at Berkeley is like a no
sex zone in a harem.
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Have you lived in the sub-free dorms at Berkeley? Do you have personal
experience with a a harem? Why did you make this statement?
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If you are unsure about the trip, might I suggest postponing the trip to
April and then your student can concentrate on visiting the schools she was
accepted to and seriously considering attending.
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Right. Maybe I should make plans after all info is in, and just pay
the higher fares.
Sal
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Also, thanks for the travel info.
You are welcome.
Abe |
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David Haardt
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:07 pm
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | Frankly I wonder if ANY college is drug and alcohol free.
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It's also questionable whether this is what we should aim for. After
all, people aged 17-22, and in particular those seeking a
college-level education, should be mature enough to decide for
themselves whether to drink or not to drink, whether to take or not to
take drugs.
The prohibition practised in the USA concerning these issues has
always made me wonder, and probably only makes it even more
interesting to try alcohol and/or drugs.
Just my two pence worth,
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