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Harvard Crimson: Computer Courses Draw MIT Students

 
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:16 am    Post subject: Harvard Crimson: Computer Courses Draw MIT Students Reply with quote

Computer Courses Draw MIT Students

By TINA WANG
Crimson Staff Writer

Students who may once have had to decide whether to apply to Harvard or MIT
are now making the best of both worlds.
Particularly in computer science at the graduate level, students from MIT
are coming to Harvard for classes they cannot get elsewhere.

According to students and professors, MIT students are drawn to the range of
research interests as well as to the prominence of Harvard professors, who
are part of a computer science faculty that has grown stronger in recent
years.

"Even though MIT has larger math and computer science departments than us,
we do have some offerings not available at MIT," says Salil P. Vadhan,
professor of Computer Science 225, "Pseudorandomness," which has seven MIT
students in a class of 19.

Occasionally, MIT students also take math courses that are only offered at
Harvard, such as Mathematics 55, "Honors Advanced Calculus and Linear
Algebra," which has one MIT student in a class of 18 this year.

"I don't think MIT has a course similar to Math 55. I think first-year
courses for MIT are essentially for everybody. All the students take the
same kinds of courses," says Yum-Tong Siu, professor of Math 55.

There are over 300 MIT students cross-registered at Harvard, and over 400
Harvard students at MIT, according to the MIT Registrar.

DIFFERENT STROKES

According to several professors, some Harvard courses are particularly
attractive to MIT students because liberal arts institutions are more likely
to offer applied science and engineering courses based on individual
professors' research interests.

This allows students, those at the graduate level in particular, to better
match their interests to specific classes.

"I happened to do research that was different from faculty at MIT," says
Vadhan. "There is no course at MIT similar to CS 225, so it's quite natural
for MIT students to take it here."

"When you take such classes, it's good to have professors who are actually
doing research in that particular area," Mihai Patrascu, an MIT student in
CS 225, wrote in an e-mail.

MIT students say that the prominence of a Harvard faculty member and the
small size of the class he or she teaches draw MIT students as well.

"If the Harvard professor is one of the best in the area, and the class is
for such a small community," MIT does not need to offer a counterpart to a
computer science course at Harvard, Patrascu wrote.

GROWING STRONG

The flow of computer science students between Harvard and MIT has occurred
as Harvard's program has grown stronger in recent years, according to
Harvard and MIT professors.

"I think the Harvard computer science faculty has become very strong over
the last few years and are now offering many interesting classes," wrote
Srinivas Devadas, chair of graduate study in computer science and professor
of electrical engineering and computer science at MIT, in an e-mail.

According to Margo I. Seltzer, associate dean for computer science and
engineering at Harvard, the number of computer science faculty has doubled
to 19 in the past six years.

John G. Morrisett, a prominent professor in programming languages, is the
most recent newcomer.

"There has always been a trickle [of MIT students]. As we get bigger, there'
s more chance of that happening," says Steven J. Gortler, director of
undergraduate studies in computer science.

But Harvard professors say despite their growth, the department remains
small-and that this size helps keeps them competitive.

"We'll never be a big as MIT, and thus we make every hiring decision
carefully," wrote Michael D. Smith, McKay professor of computer science and
electrical engineering, in an e-mail.

"We have quite a few very well-known senior faculty and some young faculty
that are viewed as rising stars."

The Harvard computer science faculty, though much smaller than that of MIT,
is strong in computer systems and theory, according to Devadas.

Associate Professor of Computer Science Michael D. Mitzenmacher '91 says
that there may be other differences as well, although some of these
impressions may be "out of date."

"I think the long-standing impression has been that Harvard's courses are
more theoretical than MIT's, which has more of a hacking culture," he said.

COMMUNITY

Another factor facilitating student exchange is collaboration between
Harvard and MIT, according to professors.

MIT professors will often recommend the courses of Harvard professors whose
research they have heard of or taken part in.

"Salil Vadhan is well-known by the math and computer science department at
MIT," says Kevin M. Matulef, an MIT graduate student taking CS 225. "He was
a graduate student at MIT, and the people at MIT have encouraged
collaboration."

Vadhan says that this relationship is mutually beneficial to both schools.

"In my area [theoretical computer science], the Harvard and MIT research
communities are very linked, and this combined community is a real benefit
to the students," Vadhan wrote in an e-mail.

Conversely, Harvard professors recommend their students take MIT computer
science courses as well.

"Of course this is far from a one way street. Harvard students take MIT
courses regularly," wrote Harry R. Lewis '68, McKay professor of computer
science, in an e-mail. "MIT has expertise and courses in certain fields in
which we do not."

"I advise my graduate students to take courses at MIT on topics that aren't
offered here," Vadhan says.

RED TAPE

The cross-registration process at MIT, normally reserved for juniors,
seniors and graduate students, is "relatively easy," says Matulef.

MIT graduate students who want to take Harvard courses must obtain
signatures from the Harvard and MIT Registrars, an MIT faculty adviser or
registration officer and the instructors of the courses they are interested
in taking.

But MIT students seem to make a smooth transition to Harvard courses.

"The ones who are willing to make the journey from MIT are highly
motivated," says Leslie G. Valiant, who taught Computer Science 228,
"Computational Learning Theory," which had three MIT students in a class of
around 20 last year.

And according to Adam L. Kirsch, a Harvard graduate student in CS 225,
Harvard and MIT computer science students have more than interests in
common.

"We are all cut from the same cloth," he says.

-Staff writer Tina Wang can be reached at tinawang@fas.harvard.edu.


Copyright © 2004, The Harvard Crimson Inc.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Harvard Crimson: Computer Courses Draw MIT Students Reply with quote

Abe Kohen <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote:
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The cross-registration process at MIT, normally reserved for juniors,
seniors and graduate students, is "relatively easy," says Matulef.

Indeed, the relatively straightforward cross registration available
between Harvard, MIT, and Wellesley is an underrated strength of the
three schools.

On a related note, I recall reading about a recent (sometime in the
1990s) case in which an undergraduate was able to arrange a true dual
degree program resulting in an AB from Harvard and an SB from MIT. A
remarkable feat considering that neither school participates in any
formal dual degree program (aside from the MIT-Wellesley five-year
program). Anyone know more about this?

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Harvard Crimson: Computer Courses Draw MIT Students Reply with quote

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On a related note, I recall reading about a recent (sometime in the
1990s) case in which an undergraduate was able to arrange a true dual
degree program resulting in an AB from Harvard and an SB from MIT. A
remarkable feat considering that neither school participates in any
formal dual degree program (aside from the MIT-Wellesley five-year
program). Anyone know more about this?

I took science courses at both those schools because the gaps nicely
complemented each other at that time. It was fun to sample the other
school. I got it down to about 20 minute bike ride in good weather.
So I'd conclude the non-academic factors are equally important.

I believe in the Harvard-MIT cross-registration you have to have junior
status, unless the most exceptional reasons. And the quantity is limited.
I believe at times there have been pre-med or medical technology cross-degree
programs. Harvard has the clinical resources, and MIT the scientific.
(Cross-registration at Wellesley is possible as early as the 2nd semester.)

Acquiring multiple majors used to be a competitive sport at MIT, with several
five-major graduates. Each extra major requires a minimal extra year of
courses (at no extra cost).
Carefully overload a fifth or six course per semester, you could earn
a 2nd or 3rd major. Major requirements overlap enough that that uusually
is not a constraint.
I think the current maximum MIT AP credit is about one semesters of courses.
The majority of AP credit allows you skip to a more advanced course,
but not get extra degree credit.
Getting extra majors rarely helps in grad school or in a job hunt.
I've alway recommended "laddering" here- that is, people change degree
levels as they change fields. I heard of many peole who have their B.S.,
grad, and tenure degrees in different fields.
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