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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:25 pm
Post subject: Where should he apply! |
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I know a student with reasonably good SAT and PSAT scores.
Can you see if my list of suggested schools to apply to should be tweaked?
In the following preference: The interest is in Computer Science
MIT
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Brown
Dartmouth
Berkeley
Cornell
Columbia
Upenn
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For Safety:
U of Mich
OSU
Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of preference?
What about Columbia/Upenn?
Thanks in advance |
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Sarandipidy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:59 am
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| Quote: | Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of preference?
What about Columbia/Upenn?
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cornell/berkeley for computer science.
sara
hello teacher tell me what's my lesson,
look right through me, look right through me. |
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Steve Stone
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:36 am
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In article <20040226135939.06658.00000414@mb-m05.aol.com>, sarandipidy@aol.compostpile says...
| Quote: | Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of preference?
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Before I had thoughts of computer science I would seriously consider the current offshoring
trends of IT professional jobs. |
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Edward Tang
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:46 am
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:36:15 GMT, Steve Stone
<spfleck@zzcitlinkzz.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <20040226135939.06658.00000414@mb-m05.aol.com>, sarandipidy@aol.compostpile says...
Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of preference?
Before I had thoughts of computer science I would seriously consider the current offshoring
trends of IT professional jobs.
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Well, god forbid someone go to college to study what he actually wants
to study (assuming, of course, that the person in question actually
has a love for the computation).
- Ed
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/ |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:28 am
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REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu (Edward Tang) wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:36:15 GMT, Steve Stone
spfleck@zzcitlinkzz.net> wrote:
Before I had thoughts of computer science I would seriously consider
the current offshoring trends of IT professional jobs.
Well, god forbid someone go to college to study what he actually wants
to study (assuming, of course, that the person in question actually
has a love for the computation).
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There's nothing wrong with studying what one wants, but one has to
consider the cost/benefit of a particular education. Several of those
schools on that list are rather expensive. Unless the student in
question is independently wealthy, or can get a full free ride
scholarship, [s]he'll be hit with some huge loan payments after
graduation. This is something that should be considered (imho) in
light of the current trend of outsourcing computer work.
Where does [s]he live? Is there a good state school [s]he can go to?
--gregbo
gds at best dot com |
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MSchwartz
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:47 am
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| Quote: | I know a student with reasonably good SAT and PSAT scores.
Can you see if my list of suggested schools to apply to should be tweaked?
In the following preference: The interest is in Computer Science
MIT
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Brown
Dartmouth
Berkeley
Cornell
Columbia
Upenn
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For Safety:
U of Mich
OSU
OSU might be a safety, Michigan (especially out of state) isn't a safety for |
most. Would help to know approx. stats and home state.
Don't forget Carnegie Mellon. |
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Out West
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:34 pm
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What's with all the big names? Why don't you choose some small names too?
All these schools are tough admits and they all are very expensive. I'm not
saying don't apply, but jeez, doesn't eveyone get tired of seeing the same
ten schools over and over??
-B
"newscrazy2004" <newscrazy2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c121bdf3.0402260825.7969423b@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | I know a student with reasonably good SAT and PSAT scores.
Can you see if my list of suggested schools to apply to should be tweaked?
In the following preference: The interest is in Computer Science
MIT
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Brown
Dartmouth
Berkeley
Cornell
Columbia
Upenn
================
For Safety:
U of Mich
OSU
Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of
preference?
What about Columbia/Upenn?
Thanks in advance |
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Dodge Johnson
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:37 pm
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The search is all backwards here. He should find schools he likes, and
then consider which ones to apply to - just like choosing a wife.
Can't answer your question about preferences. The right school means not
generic "right" but "right for whom."
That said:
High SATs are not enough.
to have a shot at the schools here, your student will need also top
grades in a program that's virtually all APs.
Having something distinctive will help - top football player, oboe
player, second company doing well on NASDAC, found a cure for cancer.
D
In article <c121bdf3.0402260825.7969423b@posting.google.com>,
newscrazy2004@yahoo.com (newscrazy2004) wrote:
| Quote: | I know a student with reasonably good SAT and PSAT scores.
Can you see if my list of suggested schools to apply to should be tweaked?
In the following preference: The interest is in Computer Science
MIT
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
Brown
Dartmouth
Berkeley
Cornell
Columbia
Upenn
================
For Safety:
U of Mich
OSU
Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of preference?
What about Columbia/Upenn?
Thanks in advance |
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rick++
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:00 pm
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| Quote: | Before I had thoughts of computer science I would seriously consider the current offshoring
trends of IT professional jobs.
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The poster said "computer science" which is broader than IT.
Much generic business IT has been off-shored, but there are still
many other kind of comp sci in the US. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:18 am
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rick303@hotmail.com (rick++) wrote:
| Quote: | The poster said "computer science" which is broader than IT.
Much generic business IT has been off-shored, but there are still
many other kind of comp sci in the US.
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True, but these types of CS are being outsourced also. Furthermore,
companies are consolidating and downsizing, so there are fewer
opportunities to work. Where there are opportunities to work,
salaries are not what they were back during the dot boom, especially
for recent graduates. These factors should be taken into account,
imho, when selecting expensive schools.
--gregbo
gds at best dot com |
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Edward Tang
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:17 am
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:28:42 GMT, gds@best.cut.here.com wrote:
| Quote: | REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu (Edward Tang) wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:36:15 GMT, Steve Stone
spfleck@zzcitlinkzz.net> wrote:
Before I had thoughts of computer science I would seriously consider
the current offshoring trends of IT professional jobs.
Well, god forbid someone go to college to study what he actually wants
to study (assuming, of course, that the person in question actually
has a love for the computation).
There's nothing wrong with studying what one wants, but one has to
consider the cost/benefit of a particular education. Several of those
schools on that list are rather expensive. Unless the student in
question is independently wealthy, or can get a full free ride
scholarship, [s]he'll be hit with some huge loan payments after
graduation. This is something that should be considered (imho) in
light of the current trend of outsourcing computer work.
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Oh sure, I'm not unreasonable, but IMO an undergraduate degree these
days is fairly generic, and entry level jobs in *all* sectors are
hurting for college grads - how about the cost/benefit of being a
music major, or drama major, or an lit major, etc? If the kid really
loves the beauty of computation (because Computer Science is Much Much
Much more than the sometimes insipid brainless work that the
grunt-level programming that's being outsourced overseas) - I still
say he or she should study it and love it.
Of course, I have two artistic degrees and I'm starting cutting edge
artistic PhD work this fall, soo............
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/ |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:45 am
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REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu (Edward Tang) wrote:
| Quote: | Oh sure, I'm not unreasonable, but IMO an undergraduate degree these
days is fairly generic, and entry level jobs in *all* sectors are
hurting for college grads - how about the cost/benefit of being a
music major, or drama major, or an lit major, etc? If the kid really
loves the beauty of computation (because Computer Science is Much Much
Much more than the sometimes insipid brainless work that the
grunt-level programming that's being outsourced overseas) - I still
say he or she should study it and love it.
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I didn't say [s]he shouldn't study computer science. I suggested
looking into a good state school, unless [s]he has some other way of
covering the costs (scholarship, wealthy parents, etc).
--gregbo
gds at best dot com |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:18 am
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"newscrazy2004" <newscrazy2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c121bdf3.0402260825.7969423b@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | I know a student with reasonably good SAT and PSAT scores.
Can you see if my list of suggested schools to apply to should be tweaked?
In the following preference: The interest is in Computer Science
MIT
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
Stanford
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For CS: MIT and Stanford. The other three are excellent schools but not CS
powerhouses.
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Brown
Dartmouth
Berkeley
Cornell
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Likewise, for CS: Berkely and Cornell.
Replace with: CMU and UIUC.
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For Safety:
U of Mich
OSU
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Lots of state safety schools available including Rutgers (NJ).
Just my opinions,
Abe
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Any suggestions over Brown/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Cornell sequence of
preference?
What about Columbia/Upenn?
Thanks in advance |
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Steve Stone
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:19 am
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| Quote: | Oh sure, I'm not unreasonable, but IMO an undergraduate degree these
days is fairly generic, and entry level jobs in *all* sectors are
hurting for college grads
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No sectors are hurting for college grads in my area of the northeast.
I suspect many of the mall retail jobs are being handled by college grads.
Local hospitals never seem to have enough nurses. They do abuse them with
long hours and wacky shift work.
My neighbors kid is taking CIS studies at SUNY Albany. I'll let you know in
a year how easily he finds a job.
His brother attended CIA. He has no trouble finding respectable paying chef
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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:47 am
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Thanks to everyone for the sincere responses. These newsgroups are so
open that there is no safe place to carry on a conversation without
some tangetial effect stepping in.
Some of those who responded were geniuses in their own right: Mr.
Tang, Mr. Cohen and so on, forgive if I missed other bright stars in
the reply.
The student is my son and is from Ohio. OSU has a good overall
position, but the quarter system and the backwardness of the CS (just
my opinion) tends to put me off. The quarter system: why I think is
faulty is that there is not sufficient time given for the fundamentals
to sink in. Not sure if the basic stuff like Advanced Calc, Advanced
Chem can be made to stick around in someone's mind if it is in and out
in 10 Weeks.
Thanks again |
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