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rick++
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:01 am
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MIT mentioned than grad applications were down 12% this year.
The majority of that was with foreigners. Visas are much harder to obtain.
Science and technology arent as appealing a few years ago, also. |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:37 am
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"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | MIT mentioned than grad applications were down 12% this year.
The majority of that was with foreigners. Visas are much harder to obtain.
Science and technology arent as appealing a few years ago, also.
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MIT has foreign students from Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. Most are
hardworking and are here to study at the best Tech institution in the world.
Realizing that we trained the nuclear scientists and nuclear engineers of
Iran and Pakistan, perhaps the drop in grad applications is a good sign.
I would suggest that MIT (and others) should spend more time and effort
recruiting US students for PhD programs.
Abe |
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R. Martin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:28 am
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Abe Kohen wrote:
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"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
MIT mentioned than grad applications were down 12% this year.
The majority of that was with foreigners. Visas are much harder to obtain.
Science and technology arent as appealing a few years ago, also.
MIT has foreign students from Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. Most are
hardworking and are here to study at the best Tech institution in the world.
Realizing that we trained the nuclear scientists and nuclear engineers of
Iran and Pakistan, perhaps the drop in grad applications is a good sign.
I would suggest that MIT (and others) should spend more time and effort
recruiting US students for PhD programs.
Abe
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From what I've read, they (or their surrogates at NSF, etc.) claim
that there are not enough qualified US applicants. They don't seem
to think the job market has anything to do with that. Other than
"dead enders" (like me) who love science enough to put up with it,
who'd want to bust their tail for years studying science when there
are career options that are more attractive?
Regards,
Russell |
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BMJ
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:54 am
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R. Martin wrote:
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| Quote: | From what I've read, they (or their surrogates at NSF, etc.) claim
that there are not enough qualified US applicants. They don't seem
to think the job market has anything to do with that. Other than
"dead enders" (like me) who love science enough to put up with it,
who'd want to bust their tail for years studying science when there
are career options that are more attractive?
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Not only that, but many of the jobs that apparently require a university degree
don't need that much education. In fact, a trained monkey could probably do them. |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:38 am
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"R. Martin" <russell.martin@wdn.com> wrote in message
news:40467D14.4217@wdn.com...
| Quote: | Abe Kohen wrote:
"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
MIT mentioned than grad applications were down 12% this year.
The majority of that was with foreigners. Visas are much harder to
obtain.
Science and technology arent as appealing a few years ago, also.
MIT has foreign students from Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. Most are
hardworking and are here to study at the best Tech institution in the
world.
Realizing that we trained the nuclear scientists and nuclear engineers
of
Iran and Pakistan, perhaps the drop in grad applications is a good sign.
I would suggest that MIT (and others) should spend more time and effort
recruiting US students for PhD programs.
Abe
From what I've read, they (or their surrogates at NSF, etc.) claim
that there are not enough qualified US applicants. They don't seem
to think the job market has anything to do with that. Other than
"dead enders" (like me) who love science enough to put up with it,
who'd want to bust their tail for years studying science when there
are career options that are more attractive?
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Unfortunately the PhD which looked so unattractive at 20 looks very
attractive at 50.
(I get many job referrals which require a PhD.)
Recruiting may pique the interest of those 20 year olds who had not given it
consideration.
Abe |
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R. Martin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:12 am
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Abe Kohen wrote:
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"R. Martin" <russell.martin@wdn.com> wrote in message
news:40467D14.4217@wdn.com...
Abe Kohen wrote:
"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote
MIT mentioned than grad applications were down 12% this year.
The majority of that was with foreigners. Visas are much harder to
obtain.
Science and technology arent as appealing a few years ago, also.
MIT has foreign students from Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc. Most are
hardworking and are here to study at the best Tech institution in the
world.
Realizing that we trained the nuclear scientists and nuclear engineers
of
Iran and Pakistan, perhaps the drop in grad applications is a good sign.
I would suggest that MIT (and others) should spend more time and effort
recruiting US students for PhD programs.
Abe
From what I've read, they (or their surrogates at NSF, etc.) claim
that there are not enough qualified US applicants. They don't seem
to think the job market has anything to do with that. Other than
"dead enders" (like me) who love science enough to put up with it,
who'd want to bust their tail for years studying science when there
are career options that are more attractive?
Unfortunately the PhD which looked so unattractive at 20 looks very
attractive at 50.
(I get many job referrals which require a PhD.)
Recruiting may pique the interest of those 20 year olds who had not given it
consideration.
Abe
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Anymore I doubt if anyone can say what will be an attractive career
20 year down the road. A couple of PhDs looked attractive to me 20
years ago. It is hard to decide whether I was lucky or not to "avoid"
them. Still, there are jobs that require a PhD that sound interesting
to me, but would I get them if I had the degree? I loved the time I
spent in academe (there's nothing like a campanile ringing on a clear,
crisp autumn day, but I'm sure being a prof isn't all fun and games
(at least that's what my wife tells me). Still, if I last long enough
I'll probably try and fail again to get a PhD, but it won't be with a
career in mind.
Regards,
Russell |
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BMJ
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:34 am
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R. Martin wrote:
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| Quote: | Anymore I doubt if anyone can say what will be an attractive career
20 year down the road. A couple of PhDs looked attractive to me 20
years ago. It is hard to decide whether I was lucky or not to "avoid"
them. Still, there are jobs that require a PhD that sound interesting
to me, but would I get them if I had the degree? I loved the time I
spent in academe (there's nothing like a campanile ringing on a clear,
crisp autumn day, but I'm sure being a prof isn't all fun and games
(at least that's what my wife tells me). Still, if I last long enough
I'll probably try and fail again to get a PhD, but it won't be with a
career in mind.
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On this week's edition of BBC World Service's "Science in Action", one item was
about a prof who uses "geeksta rap" to explain physics. Apparently he's quite
popular.
I guess this goes a long way to explaining why applications are down and why a
prof's lot might not be a happy one. |
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