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Sally
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:16 am
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Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not? At least, from the few websites I have visited, this
is the trend. Actually my knowledge is limited, so info about
particular schools would be appreciated.
Sal |
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Out West
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:28 am
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Since substance abuse is illegal and also alcohol (also a substance) is
illegal for under 21 year olds I always found it very comical that State
Universities like to tout substance free dorms. I mean, why should a college
have to say that? It's ludicrous. Perhaps privates may put a little more
responsibility on the student. Or perhaps they don't want to say they have
substance free dorms because technically no one should be doing stupid
things like drugs/alcohol. Heck, if you are arrested and convicted of ANY
drug offence all federal student aid is revoked and no further aid can be
gotten. It's right on the fafsa. It seems that would be enough to stop any
would be college druggy.
Your childs best protection against substance abuse is themselves, not
so-called substance free dorms. Most colleges do not have substance
problems; the students would never get through college. I honestly would not
worry about it at all unless there is some reason that you are concerned
that your child might be vulnerable to peer pressure. There comes a time
(usually college) where the decisions you make and your own. A college
student is perfectly capable of saying no.
-B
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| Quote: | Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not? At least, from the few websites I have visited, this
is the trend. Actually my knowledge is limited, so info about
particular schools would be appreciated.
Sal |
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Edward Tang
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:07 pm
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On 22 Feb 2004 19:16:40 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
| Quote: | Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not? At least, from the few websites I have visited, this
is the trend. Actually my knowledge is limited, so info about
particular schools would be appreciated.
Sal
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Many private schools absolutely have substance free dorms, or at least
substance free floors of dorms.
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/ |
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Jonas Purinton
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:08 pm
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Edward Tang <REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu> wrote in article
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| Quote: | On 22 Feb 2004 19:16:40 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not?
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I attended a private school in the mid-west, part of the ELCA contingent
that stretches through Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. This particular
college had substance-free floors (they called them "wellness floors").
They comprised one in four freshman floors and about one in eight for the
other dorms. Wellness floors were intended to be anti-drugs and alcohol,
even for those over 21.
-Jonas |
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Karin
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:34 pm
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"Jonas Purinton" <dumb_@[dontspam]hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<01c3f9d2$96a12f20$3040b93f@janiekateearthlink>...
| Quote: | Edward Tang <REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu> wrote in article
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On 22 Feb 2004 19:16:40 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not?
I attended a private school in the mid-west, part of the ELCA contingent
that stretches through Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. This particular
college had substance-free floors (they called them "wellness floors").
They comprised one in four freshman floors and about one in eight for the
other dorms. Wellness floors were intended to be anti-drugs and alcohol,
even for those over 21.
-Jonas
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as I have posted before, my daughter at Reed has been in a sub free
dorm for three years ( different dorms) This is not so much that she
doesn't use substances at all, or that she wants to be isolated from
students that do, but that she has asthma and is sensistive to the
smell of smoke.
It is kind of a pain, as when I was wanting to cook something with
wine in it for them, I had to use another kitchen,as no substances in
dorms are permitted, no wine even by parents, no cigarettes, only
coffee as substance of choice.
Many of the dorms have a theme, and it is more likely to win a room if
you choose a theme dorm, than if you apply for a certain hall. Next
year she is planning on the co-op dorm, shared meal planning and prep. |
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Sally
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:10 am
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REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu (Edward Tang) wrote in message news:<40398a6c.4637798@24.168.128.90>...
| Quote: | On 22 Feb 2004 19:16:40 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not? At least, from the few websites I have visited, this
is the trend. Actually my knowledge is limited, so info about
particular schools would be appreciated.
Sal
Many private schools absolutely have substance free dorms, or at least
substance free floors of dorms.
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/
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Ed,
Can you name some?
Sal |
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Sally
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:10 am
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"Jonas Purinton" <dumb_@[dontspam]hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<01c3f9d2$96a12f20$3040b93f@janiekateearthlink>...
| Quote: | Edward Tang <REMOVESPAMebt201@nyu.edu> wrote in article
40398a6c.4637798@24.168.128.90>...
On 22 Feb 2004 19:16:40 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
Why is it that the state schools have substance-free dorms, but the
privates do not?
I attended a private school in the mid-west, part of the ELCA contingent
that stretches through Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin. This particular
college had substance-free floors (they called them "wellness floors").
They comprised one in four freshman floors and about one in eight for the
other dorms. Wellness floors were intended to be anti-drugs and alcohol,
even for those over 21.
-Jonas
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Jonas,
Can you name the school?
Sal |
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Edward Tang
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:39 am
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On 23 Feb 2004 10:10:07 -0800, sunsol@prodigy.net (Sally) wrote:
| Quote: | Many private schools absolutely have substance free dorms, or at least
substance free floors of dorms.
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/
Ed,
Can you name some?
Sal
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Sure, NYU. I was given the option and personally lived on one such
floor when I was in the dorms. Why is this an issue, under contention,
etc?
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
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http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/ |
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Jonas Purinton
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:01 pm
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Jonas,
Can you name the school?
Sal
Yea it was Luther College in Decorah, IA. Incidentally, all dorms were made |
non-smoking while I was there. I'm pretty sure that other schools like
Luther (St. Olaf, Augustana, Augsburg ect.) have similar policies as far as
substance-free dorms.
-Jonas |
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Karin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:23 am
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| Quote: | Many private schools absolutely have substance free dorms, or at least
substance free floors of dorms.
- Ed
NYU BM '01, MPS '03
........................
http://www.antiexperience.com/edtang/
Ed,
Can you name some?
Sal
Sure, NYU. I was given the option and personally lived on one such
floor when I was in the dorms. Why is this an issue, under contention,
etc?
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I found that most schools have dorms that purport to be substance
free. Philosophy varies from school, some require students to sign
contract that they won't use period, others just don't want them to
use in the dorm. While freshman dorms are theoretically sub free
except for cigarettes only the most naive will believe that students
who have had authority breathing down their necks in high school are
not going to take advantage of the opportunity to show how "mature"
they are.
Wellness dorms are for those students who want to be able to control
their exposure to substance use, and they are very popular, especially
I imagine at those schools where students who request theme dorms are
give priority over students who just want a room.
While a few students in my daughters dorm were pressured to request it
by their parents, most were not, and appreciated the focus of having
alternative ideas for fun. It is'nt so critical as students get older.
Ironically, often by times students are legal drinking age, their need
to use substances to have a good time has disappated, and they are
more likely to perhaps have a beer with pizza, but not need to show
off.
Mileage may vary of course |
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Sally
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:10 pm
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Karen,
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
| Quote: | I found that most schools have dorms that purport to be substance
free.
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Most? Could you name a few?
Philosophy varies from school, some require students to sign
| Quote: | contract that they won't use period, others just don't want them to
use in the dorm. While freshman dorms are theoretically sub free
except for cigarettes only the most naive will believe that students
who have had authority breathing down their necks in high school are
not going to take advantage of the opportunity to show how "mature"
they are.
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I have found that freshman dorms are not sub-free. When I inquire, I
am told that they only allow drinking with the door open, only with
the door closed, or no drinking in public areas. And most of the
schools actually enforce a no-smoking policy in my experience.
| Quote: | Wellness dorms are for those students who want to be able to control
their exposure to substance use, and they are very popular, especially
I imagine at those schools where students who request theme dorms are
give priority over students who just want a room.
While a few students in my daughters dorm were pressured to request it
by their parents, most were not, and appreciated the focus of having
alternative ideas for fun. It is'nt so critical as students get older.
Ironically, often by times students are legal drinking age, their need
to use substances to have a good time has disappated, and they are
more likely to perhaps have a beer with pizza, but not need to show
off.
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I think that this is all true.
| Quote: | Mileage may vary of course
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Sally
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:29 pm
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B,
I am having a hard time responding to this, but I will try.
"Out West" <byer5@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<8kf_b.5775$aT1.2649@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
| Quote: | Since substance abuse is illegal and also alcohol (also a substance) is
illegal for under 21 year olds I always found it very comical that State
Universities like to tout substance free dorms. I mean, why should a college
have to say that?
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They have sub-free dorms because most college students drink, many to
excess, and some want to get away from that atmosphere.
It's ludicrous. Perhaps privates may put a little more
| Quote: | responsibility on the student. Or perhaps they don't want to say they have
substance free dorms because technically no one should be doing stupid
things like drugs/alcohol.
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Yes, saying certain dorms are sub-free clearly means that others are
not, which is illegal. Perhaps that is a risk some schools do not want
to take, so they pretend that all dorms are sub-free.
Heck, if you are arrested and convicted of ANY
| Quote: | drug offence all federal student aid is revoked and no further aid can be
gotten. It's right on the fafsa. It seems that would be enough to stop any
would be college druggy.
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I doubt it. Few users are actually arrested, especially if they manage
to keep up with their studies and are not dealing.
| Quote: | Your childs best protection against substance abuse is themselves, not
so-called substance free dorms.
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Why do you assume I was looking for protection?
Most colleges do not have substance
Do you have some stats on this? In my experience, I would say that
every college has substance problems. Maybe your idea of a problem is
different than mine.
| Quote: | the students would never get through college. I honestly would not
worry
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Why do you assume I am worried?
| Quote: | about it at all unless there is some reason that you are concerned
that your child might be vulnerable to peer pressure.
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Most kids are vulnerable to peer pressure.
| Quote: | There comes a time
(usually college) where the decisions you make and your own. A college
student is perfectly capable of saying no.
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College students, just like adults, make stupid decisions sometimes.
Sal |
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Karin
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:00 pm
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byer5@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<8kf_b.5775$aT1.2649@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
| Quote: | Since substance abuse is illegal and also alcohol (also a substance) is
illegal for under 21 year olds I always found it very comical that State
Universities like to tout substance free dorms. I mean, why should a college
have to say that?
They have sub-free dorms because most college students drink, many to
excess, and some want to get away from that atmosphere.
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all the schools we seriously looked at had sub free dorms. ( U of
Oregon, Evergreen State College, Western Washington University)
While dorms are tobacco free, my daughter has asthma and we felt that
students who were interested in subfree probably wouldn't smoke
cigarettes as much as student who didn't specify subfree.
The choice was also between a "quiet dorm" ( noise level down by 10pm)
and a "subfree" dorm.
The subfree won out becuase she theorized that students who were
choosing not to use substances would probably be quieter in general,
and that getting the noise level down in an otherwise high spirited
dorm could be problematic.
After freshman year she realized that the differences in dorms were
not that great, although her school does have several "theme" dorms
where people are organized by interests.
However big difference in philosophy between the "subfree' dorm and
the "cocaine" dorm ( unofficial name of course!). |
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Sally
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:58 am
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youngbergw@earthlink.net (Karin) wrote in message news:<17ca761a.0402252201.37e22732@posting.google.com>...
WOW!!!! Great information!! Thanks Karin. That website shoots down my
assumption about private schools!!
Sal |
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