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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:37 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 11:29:20 +0200, Ross Howard <gguiri@yahoo.com> wrote:
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some of the comments I've seen from the fans I do sense quite a bit of
extreme mancunocentricuty (which is a perhaps a bit strange when
we're talking about a club whose greatest successes have come thanks
to the boots of a string of Scots, Irishmen and a Frog).
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It's not a matter of geography or "citizenship" of the bureaucratic,
political, city or national boundaries, type. It's much more like a
religion. One does not need to be a Greek to be Greek Orthodox, or Roman to
be Roman Catholic.
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Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
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Ross Howard
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:44 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:35:30 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrought:
| Quote: | NB, I see in the meeja that Glazer and his sons are describing
themselves as "lifelong Man U fans". That idea, knock on the head.
Otherwise when the Glazier offspring turn up to run the show they're
going to find themselves seriously embarrassed in a Press Conference
being asked to show their knowledge of the club. I am a City fan, not
United (not having been to a pro match for 50 years has nothing to do
with this - in Manchester you choose early and stay with your choice)
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I am a United fan, but I haven't been to Old Trafford for 35 years.
Yes, it is in your blood in a way. I've never liked the club or any of
its players much since the '68 European Cup -- I'm sorry but Keane is
*not* Crerand, Giggs can't dribble dog drool next to Best (or even
Willie Morgan), and don't even get me started on that posing French
poet -- but I still follow the results of important matches and even
got moist-eyed when they beat Bayern to win the European Cup.
| Quote: | but even I could answer the kind of stuff that will be used to show that
they'd never heard of Man U until a few years ago - like "What position
did Alex Stepney play?", "Why was the sale of Denis Law so
controversial?" or kiddy stuff like "Which Babes survived Munich?"
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Ditto for me, or any other old-time United fan, when it comes to City
trivia. Try me on Tony "Young Slip of a Thing" Book or Mike Doyle's
trademark studs-up approach to ball recovery. Or, come to that,
whether Colin Bell and the Monkees' Peter Tork were ever seen in the
same room together.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:49 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:35:30 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | NB, I see in the meeja that Glazer and his sons are describing
themselves as "lifelong Man U fans". That idea, knock on the head.
Otherwise when the Glazier offspring turn up to run the show they're
going to find themselves seriously embarrassed in a Press Conference
being asked to show their knowledge of the club.
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If Malcolm starts turning up a press conferences, your lads won't have
a chance. The Tampa and other Florida journalists will be three-deep
in the first row. Many have never been able to get more than a
fleeting street glimpse of Malcolm.
If he has to know arcane facts about ManU, he will hire the most
knowledgable ManU historian and make him the spokesperson for the
Glazer family. Or, perhaps he'll use an earphone system like Bush was
accused of doing in the debates.
It's been said here that ManU fans are calling him the "Hitler of
Manchester". A very unkind remark about a Jewish businessman.
And businessman he is. He bought the Tampa Bay football franchise 9
years ago for $192 million, and it's now estimated to be worth around
$700 million.
He's not considered to be a bad owner here. No one actually likes
owners, but let's say he's less-hated than most. If he runs to form
there, ticket prices might go up, but only if other teams go up
slightly more. He's more likely to go for television contracts and
more international exposure with the resulting additional
merchandizing sales.
The greatest problem here is that the most attractive form of revenue
for owners is the sale of "sky boxes" to corporations for exorbitant
sums of money. Translate this to what goes on in the UK, but expect
Malcolm to be saying to some bank that owning a luxurious sky box is
the path to getting more customers and recruiting top-level employees.
To build sky boxes usually involves building a new stadium. Any fears
ManU fans have about tearing down Old Trafford and replacing it with a
larger stadium with sky boxes are not completely off-the-wall. The
new stadium, if built, would be called the CPC Marmite Stadium if CPC
is willing to buy the name rights.
Malcolm *is* a very good businessman. I doubt if he'll force too many
changes too quickly. He'll be taking the local temp and reacting to
it. He's quite capable of noting the comparisons to Hitler and
printing tee shirts with Adolf's image on one side and his image on
the other and selling them for great profits. Well, maybe not that
route, but you get the picture.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
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Arfur Million
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:50 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | The local sports pages have compared the mood in Manchester in regard
to Malcolm Glazer to be much the same as the mood in Afghanistan
about
American prison guards.
I really can't figure out why. Is it because an American now owns
controlling interest in a British institution, or because Glazer
himself is disliked? I can't figure out why either would be of
concern.
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I think the concern is that Glazer has no special interest in football
(soccer) and that he could be using the MUFC as a launchpad for his
other financial concerns. When millionaires have bought football clubs
in the past, they have often poured money into them, perhaps motivated
by the love of the game or perhaps just on an ego trip. This is true
even, or especially, for the dodgy Russian who bought Chelsea.
Glazer's motives are not apparent at the moment.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Manchester temperature? |
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Mike Barnes wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english, Django Cat wrote:
I don't see investors queuing up to buy Broadbottom Cricket
Club...
That could be because they can't find it. The signposts to
Broadbottom
aren't exactly prominent. I suspect the authorities are trying to
discourage casual corner-cutting (witness also the 20 mph limit).
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I shall provide a map in the prospectus when I've bought it up and
want to float on 'change. And make no mistake: I've got my avaricious
eye on the Tintwistle Brass Band, too.
But, and this is a big but: if Broadbottom Cricket Club owns or has a
long lease on its field, it could be worth a fortune. If X fishing
club owns the rights to a stretch of good salmon river, it too is
worth a fortune. That's why I'm nervous.
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:23 pm
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Arfur Million wrote:
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| Quote: | When millionaires have bought football clubs
in the past, they have often poured money into them, perhaps
motivated
by the love of the game or perhaps just on an ego trip. This is
true
even, or especially, for the dodgy Russian who bought Chelsea.
Glazer's motives are not apparent at the moment.
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Bloody funny when that Australian git thought he'd got a bargain with
Swansea City, though, boyss bach!
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:42 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:19:36 +0100, Mike Barnes
<may2005@mikebarnes.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In alt.usage.english, Django Cat wrote:
I don't see investors queuing up to buy Broadbottom Cricket Club...
That could be because they can't find it. The signposts to Broadbottom
aren't exactly prominent. I suspect the authorities are trying to
discourage casual corner-cutting (witness also the 20 mph limit).
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I need only look out of the window to do that... in fact Broady is a
bit of a rat-run, with the entire population of the High Peak
commuting past my house into Manc of a morning.
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Harvey Van Sickle
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:45 pm
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On 18 May 2005, Django Cat wrote
re: Broadbottom
| Quote: | 'The Sun' ran a thing about people slimming in the village (which
is actually inhabited by svelte academics and social workers) back
in the 70s which paid for the village community centre. The story
goes they ran the same thing a couple of years later with a place
called Fatting, but I'm unable to find it on Google (Fatfield's
the closest).
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Thread merge. How do the locals pronounce "Fatfield"?
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Cheers, Harvey
Canada for 30 years; S England since 1982.
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:46 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 07:39:16 -0400, Frances Kemmish
<fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Django Cat wrote:
One which has no potential to generate profit, Mike. I don't see
investors queuing up to buy Broadbottom Cricket Club...
I think that's a failure of the marketing strategy. The name alone
should bring in a few bucks.
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'The Sun' ran a thing about people slimming in the village (which is
actually inhabited by svelte academics and social workers) back in the
70s which paid for the village community centre. The story goes they
ran the same thing a couple of years later with a place called
Fatting, but I'm unable to find it on Google (Fatfield's the closest).
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:48 pm
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Tony Cooper spake thusly:
| Quote: | On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:35:30 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
NB, I see in the meeja that Glazer and his sons are describing
themselves as "lifelong Man U fans". That idea, knock on the head.
Otherwise when the Glazier offspring turn up to run the show they're
going to find themselves seriously embarrassed in a Press Conference
being asked to show their knowledge of the club.
If Malcolm starts turning up a press conferences, your lads won't have
a chance. The Tampa and other Florida journalists will be three-deep
in the first row. Many have never been able to get more than a
fleeting street glimpse of Malcolm.
If he has to know arcane facts about ManU, he will hire the most
knowledgable ManU historian and make him the spokesperson for the
Glazer family. Or, perhaps he'll use an earphone system like Bush was
accused of doing in the debates.
It's been said here that ManU fans are calling him the "Hitler of
Manchester". A very unkind remark about a Jewish businessman.
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It is, but I doubt they know he's Jewish. I didn't. It's not
something which would normally be mentioned here. I sometimes
discover that well-know people are Jewish, decades after I first
encountered them in the media. There are undoubtedly many more that
I haven't discovered. It's not normally a subject of discussion, any
more than being a Catholic would be.
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David
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:05 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:45:34 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
<harvey.news@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 18 May 2005, Django Cat wrote
re: Broadbottom
'The Sun' ran a thing about people slimming in the village (which
is actually inhabited by svelte academics and social workers) back
in the 70s which paid for the village community centre. The story
goes they ran the same thing a couple of years later with a place
called Fatting, but I'm unable to find it on Google (Fatfield's
the closest).
Thread merge. How do the locals pronounce "Fatfield"?
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:07 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 01:26:31 GMT, Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | The local sports pages have compared the mood in Manchester in regard
to Malcolm Glazer to be much the same as the mood in Afghanistan about
American prison guards.
I really can't figure out why. Is it because an American now owns
controlling interest in a British institution, or because Glazer
himself is disliked? I can't figure out why either would be of
concern.
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There is a letter today in a Belfast (Northern Ireland) daily paper, the
"News Letter".
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/story/20196
I'll quote it in full. (Copyright remains with Century Newspapers Ltd)
<quote>
Predator Glazer In It For The Cash
Wednesday 18th May 2005
So what's all the fuss about Malcolm Glazer? Why are Manchester United fans
over-reacting and so upset about a billionaire buying their club?
Well, here are just a few of the reasons why United fans, and football fans
everywhere, have every right to be unhappy. Firstly, let's get a few things
straight.
United fans are not xenophobic - when voting for their favourite ever red, a
certain Frenchman topped the poll well ahead of Best, Charlton and Law. Nor
is the issue primarily one of opposition to private ownership.
The late Sir Jack Walker at Blackburn Rovers, Sir Jack Hayward at Wolves
even Roman Abramovich at Chelsea: all are benefactors; not predators.
These are men who ploughed their considerable fortunes into ailing teams not
for profit, but with the hope of bringing the glory days back to their
respective clubs.
That's the difference with Glazer. He cares not a jot for football and, if
you listen to those in Tampa Bay, cares little more for the American version
either.
He's in sport not for the love, nor the glory, but for the money... pure and
simple. Plunging himself into debt, losses he has now saddled United with,
Glazer's sole goal is to make that money back, and then some more. And who's
going to pay for this little venture? No-one else but the fans.
But what if he brings success? What if his high risk strategy pays off?
Well, frankly, for real United fans that isn't even close to the primary
issue.
United fans aren't so delusional to think they own or control the club they
love.
But, with an accountable board or an owner who had the team and the fans'
(not the corporation's) best interest at heart, we could at least feel that
Manchester United FC controlled Manchester United PLC, not the other way
round.
Business is cold and far from sentimental, but the fact a man who has never
set foot inside Old Trafford is now essentially custodian of United's proud
125-year legacy (Busby, Munich, Best et al) is galling.
Forever Red, Fermanagh (name and address supplied)
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Peter Duncanson
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:08 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:17:41 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Barnes wrote:
In alt.usage.english, Django Cat wrote:
I don't see investors queuing up to buy Broadbottom Cricket
Club...
That could be because they can't find it. The signposts to
Broadbottom
aren't exactly prominent. I suspect the authorities are trying to
discourage casual corner-cutting (witness also the 20 mph limit).
I shall provide a map in the prospectus when I've bought it up and
want to float on 'change. And make no mistake: I've got my avaricious
eye on the Tintwistle Brass Band, too.
But, and this is a big but: if Broadbottom Cricket Club owns or has a
long lease on its field, it could be worth a fortune. If X fishing
club owns the rights to a stretch of good salmon river, it too is
worth a fortune. That's why I'm nervous.
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Umm... good point. Could seriously affect my amenity if that
happened, and the developers already have their eyes on (and claws
into) the village. It's a big field too, with a fantastic view down
Longdendale.
DC, worried. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:40 pm
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
| Quote: | Areff wrote:
"Glazer" is a pretty common Ashkenazic Jewish surname here in the US, at
least where such surnames themselves are common (e.g., not in Seattle)
but I wouldn't think of "Malcolm" as being a particularly common
forename among American Jews for whatever generation.
Not that this proves anything, but the only Malcolm I know is Jewish.
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Come to think of it, I think my father had a co-worker named Malcolm who
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:54 pm
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:42 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | Tony Cooper spake thusly:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:35:30 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
NB, I see in the meeja that Glazer and his sons are describing
themselves as "lifelong Man U fans". That idea, knock on the head.
Otherwise when the Glazier offspring turn up to run the show they're
going to find themselves seriously embarrassed in a Press Conference
being asked to show their knowledge of the club.
If Malcolm starts turning up a press conferences, your lads won't have
a chance. The Tampa and other Florida journalists will be three-deep
in the first row. Many have never been able to get more than a
fleeting street glimpse of Malcolm.
If he has to know arcane facts about ManU, he will hire the most
knowledgable ManU historian and make him the spokesperson for the
Glazer family. Or, perhaps he'll use an earphone system like Bush was
accused of doing in the debates.
It's been said here that ManU fans are calling him the "Hitler of
Manchester". A very unkind remark about a Jewish businessman.
It is, but I doubt they know he's Jewish. I didn't. It's not
something which would normally be mentioned here. I sometimes
discover that well-know people are Jewish, decades after I first
encountered them in the media. There are undoubtedly many more that
I haven't discovered. It's not normally a subject of discussion, any
more than being a Catholic would be.
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I didn't know it either until the media reported the Hitler comments
and brought up the fact that Glazer is Jewish. Had the Hitler
comments not surfaced, the religion would not have been known.
It is the opposite of Godwin's Law.
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Tony Cooper
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