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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:53 pm
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Hi,
Would a 3.7 GPA be adequate to get offers of free PhD from State
colleges and/or private colleges? Someone I know has exhausted $140 K
in undergrad and grad studies/PhD would have to be without paying any
more.
Can you please provide accurate information.
newscrazy2004 |
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Guybrush Threepwood
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:27 am
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:53:56 -0800, newscrazy2004 wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
Would a 3.7 GPA be adequate to get offers of free PhD from State
colleges and/or private colleges? Someone I know has exhausted $140 K
in undergrad and grad studies/PhD would have to be without paying any
more.
Can you please provide accurate information.
newscrazy2004
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What field?
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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:31 pm
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Biology, Biomedical Engineering with cellular specialization, Neurobiology?
Thanks in advance. |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:23 am
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"newscrazy2004" <newscrazy2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Biology, Biomedical Engineering with cellular specialization,
Neurobiology?
Thanks in advance.
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Quite likely, depending on:
1. undergrad school
2. ranking in undergrad program
3. letters of recommendation
4. GRE (or other test)
5. competition / other applicants
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EarlG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:54 am
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newscrazy2004@yahoo.com (newscrazy2004) wrote in message news:<c121bdf3.0402160531.2d9ead16@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Biology, Biomedical Engineering with cellular specialization, Neurobiology?
Thanks in advance.
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Man you are crazy; It would be easy for you to find a free (in an
echange for the slave labor) graduate school, they most likely will
pay you some assistanship + tuition waiver. BUT, you will dig your own
grave by getting a Ph.D. or even M.S. in everything with Bio. Those
fields are incredibly crowded, chances to get a related job upon
graduation are miniscule even if you are very, very good. Are you
ready to work for $12k/year for 5 years in graduate school, are you
ready to do postdoc (24/7 job, if you'll be lucky to find one) for
4-10 years for $25-30k per year(some of my friends were postdocing
well into their 40th, are you ready?)? After postdocing will not be an
option (too old, fresh slaves are readly), you'll have two options: 1)
quit science and try to do something with yourself (Ph.D. will be like
a stone on your neck then); 2) "succeed" and get some related job for
the hefty $50k year or so (very few will make to this stage). Just
think what are you going to do with that Ph.D., think why graduate
schools are filled with foreigners, speak with graduate students and
especially postdocs about their experiences(no faculty, they will feed
you BS), research career prospects, research what is Ph.D. job about
(it's not as glamorous or even interesting as you think). Remember you
will gamble with your life. In the long term, you'd be much much
better off by getting a comercial driver licence in 2 weeks. Good
luck. |
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rick++
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 12:42 am
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I was "in heaven" being paid for grad school after scrounging for undergrad.
Even though the stipend was similar to minimum wage. Note that some of student
life may be subsidized by the university such as graduate housing, health care,
gyms, entertainment, internet, etc., so the pay goes further.
Stipends are moast available in science & engineering, especially at a research
university. Professional schools are least likely to have stipends. |
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EarlG
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:40 am
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rick303@hotmail.com (rick++) wrote in message news:<f7422d8e.0402180942.79f2a2b8@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | I was "in heaven" being paid for grad school after scrounging for undergrad.
Even though the stipend was similar to minimum wage. Note that some of student
life may be subsidized by the university such as graduate housing, health care,gyms, entertainment, internet, etc., so the pay goes further.
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Sure, few (most of them on a Ph.D. level) grad students will be lucky
to get subsidized (not free) housing, modest health insurance and
sometimes books. Most of that bonanza could be easily lost if
advisor's research will go sour, student will not be productive as for
the taste of an advisor/department or some inter-personal problems
will arise btw student and faculty. So, if one just dreams about
getting a graduate degree and gives no dime about anything ahead, he's
lucky man to live now. However, coming back to McD or equally
"rewarding" careers after 5 yrs grad school break may hurt ego badly.
Rule of thumb: broad availability of assistantships and "perks" for
students is a sure sign that a particular career at a given moment
suck big time and, on the average, does not pay either in short or in
the long run. I would prohibit assistantships whatsoever; prohibition
would bring back some sanity to the university industrial complex and
it would significantly improve employment chances of the former
graduate students.
| Quote: | Stipends are moast available in science & engineering, especially at a research
university. Professional schools are least likely to have stipends.
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I think bio stuff is about the same as engineering in the
assistantship aspect. Lots of undergrads from the prestigious programs
have heard of the glut of advanced degree holders on the market and
adjusted their career plans correspondingly. I've read an interview of
an Ivy League bio professor (do not remember which one), he openly
admitted that career prospect ignorant graduates of small universities
and foreigners are his saviors. Without them, his lab would be almost
empty. Small school graduates and especially foreigners rarely can
afford a graduate school without all kind of assistantships. |
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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:32 pm
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Confused as hell now, what should be done? MBA, Law, MD ? Please
advise. Or PhD in other realted fields like Psychology and so on. |
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EarlG
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:20 pm
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newscrazy2004@yahoo.com (newscrazy2004) wrote in message news:<c121bdf3.0402190732.66199857@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Confused as hell now, what should be done? MBA, Law, MD ? Please
advise. Or PhD in other realted fields like Psychology and so on.
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It depends. If bio research is your passion, you do not imagine
yourself doing something else and future employability is not a main
concern you may consider getting a Ph.D. There are still some
opportunities out there, especially in pharmaceuticals. You must to
choose the right advisor (more or less known in the narrow scientific
circles, well connected with industry and other universities) and an
industry related research topic (the most important thing) to have
better chances to succeed. I realize it's hard to make a right choice
for a recent undergrad. That's why choosing the right grad school
should become your full time job for a month or two. Find out what are
the most INDUSTRIALLY promising areas of bio research ("industrially
important" means that mainly corporations (not Uncle Sam) pay for the
research.) Ask knowledgeable people, search internet, browse industry
magazines, post on google, etc. Determine the most interesting (for
you) area and only then chose a school. Again, I realize that it's
hard job for a recent undergrad, but try to make the first guess.
You'll have 1-2 years in a master program to sort things out and to
make the final decision (in the worst case, you'll be able to transfer
to another school). Do not sell yourself for an assistantship to the
first taker. It's a way nowhere.
Now SAD part. Let us assume you've selected an excellent school,
advisor, promising research topic and aced everything. Then, you'll
spend 1-2 years in a master program + 4-6 years in a Ph.D. program +
2-3 years (very optimistic estimate) of postdocing. Thus, in the BEST
case, you'll slave for 7-11 years before getting the first "real" job
either in industry or as an assistant professor. I do not know much
about industrial jobs. Assistant professorship is a very hard,
stressful, life consuming job for a salary commeasurable with that of
an entry level engineer. If you'll not get tenure in 6 or so years,
you are most likely screwed for life. Your chances to get a real job
(which indeed require that Ph.D.) in 7-11 years upon enrollment to a
graduate school are about 10-30%. It's a gamble. You should realize
that and prepare yourself for the worst WHILE in a graduate school.
Getting a teaching certificate and teaching experience is the most
obvious choice (frequently, it's the most lucrative option too).
Personal advice (from personal experience; I could be wrong): if you
would be a bad salesman, if you cannot hype and embellish results of
your work (better than the others do), your success in a research
field will be extremely unlikely independently of your technical
prowess.
If you are not passionate about science/research, and the only thing
you want is a modestly stable, modestly lucrative career (if there is
such a thing) then ANY Ph.D., ANY graduate school is the last thing on
Earth you need. Do not get me wrong, there are quite a few Ph.D.s with
good job. However, 1) Ph.D. is not required for many of those jobs, 2)
ratio "pay off/efforts" is extremely low for the average Ph.D. holder.
There are lots of much easier, much more certain, no brain involved
ways to make a comparable/better living. A financially responsible
mailman, UPS driver, experienced electrician, plumber, truck drivers,
skilled union worker, and many others will make more $ per lifetime
than the average Ph.D. holder. Note, the government data regarding
"Earnings vs. Education" are complete BS. Government statisticians
simply take earnings of Ph.D.s with permanent jobs in research and
divide them by the number of those Ph.D.s (earnings of losers
(underemployed and temporary slaves as well as those who quit
research) are not involved in calculations. If they would include
every Ph.D. holder, it would be a death blow to the "education pays"
myth).
As for other careers, I can just say what I've heard/read.
Law: generally better than a Ph.D. On a negative side, one needs lots
of $ to get into a law field (assistantships are very few). Lots of
entry level lawyers in large law firms do exhausting and boring to
death grunt work (which does not involve any communication with
clients). Some recent graduates quit after several years. On a
positive side: pay is good. One thing is to slave for a law firm for
60-80k per year, slaving in a lab for $25k per year (doing equally
boring grunt work) is another thing.
Medical field: community college nursing degree pays more than a
recent Ph.D., stuck in a postdoctoral swamp, can hope for (it's much
easier/faster to find a job too). Registered nurses can make up to
$70k-$80k per year, many college professors will never make that much.
Doctors: it takes long time to complete a program, exhausting 3 yr.
Residency, large debt upon graduation; On the positive side, chances
to find a related, well paying job upon graduation are close to 100%.
Medical field is not for everyone though. Pharmacy school: it takes
"just" 4 years to graduate; finding a well paying (much better than an
average recent Ph.D. gets) is relatively easy. Do not forget
dentistry.
MBA: as far I have heard, MBA pays only if it's earned from a top 20
school. Otherwise, it's waste of time and $.
That's what I know; I could be wrong, I could be just evil and tell
lies. Therefore, you should look into other sources of career info (as
many as you can; I would advise against career info coming from
universities and professional societies. I most cases, it's a bull
tailored to make a sale.) |
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newscrazy2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:13 pm
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Thanks for your valuable input. At a time when students receive only
onesided info from counsellors, it is people like you who take the
time that provide valuable service. |
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Moca
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:16 am
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EarlG wrote:
| Quote: | Law: generally better than a Ph.D. On a negative side, one needs lots
of $ to get into a law field (assistantships are very few). Lots of
entry level lawyers in large law firms do exhausting and boring to
death grunt work (which does not involve any communication with
clients). Some recent graduates quit after several years. On a
positive side: pay is good. One thing is to slave for a law firm for
60-80k per year, slaving in a lab for $25k per year (doing equally
boring grunt work) is another thing.
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For every well-paid big-firm lawyer, there's another who can't earn
minimum wage. I've known both types. The ones who can't make money
soon do something different for a living. |
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ronaldlupe
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:42 pm
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| newscrazy2004 wrote: | Confused as hell now, what should be done? MBA, Law, MD ? Please
advise. Or PhD in other realted fields like Psychology and so on. |
Psychology degrees offer students a solid educational background in traditional science and liberal arts. As the student progresses, this basic education becomes integrated with the more in-depth knowledge, skills, and expertise that are necessary for success in one of many specializations in psychology. The more advanced the degree, the more specific and in-depth the coursework becomes. |
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haris
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hi i m haris from Pakistan, karachi doing BE in Automotive Eng.
i want to study in Europe for masters so help me where i get the free education opportunity as i despirately want this!! & also help me which sunbject should be used for master as my interest in Internal Combustion Engines reply me on my id : mharrissiddiqui@hotmail.com |
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I can suggest you Lally Institute of Management & Technology..
Lally’s MS and MBA classes are small and personal. You’ll become part of a close-knit graduate community. At the same time, our programs get top rankings from Business Week, Entrepreneur Magazine, U.S. News & World Report and Princeton Review.
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