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Ali
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?
Or am I just being nonsensical?

Cheers,

Ali
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Will
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Ali

Your question is very ept, and it makes me very gruntled when people
post such stuff.

Will.
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Father Ignatius
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Quote:
Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?
Or am I just being nonsensical?

You are being naive to think that English is logical.

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words;
on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
--James D. Nicoll

Quote:
Your question is very ept, and it makes me very gruntled when people
post such stuff.

I just saw "kempt" used seriously; COED has it, but Chambers points to
"kemb" which means "to comb" and where "kempt" means "combed".
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Wayne Brown
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Ali wrote:

Quote:
Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?
Or am I just being nonsensical?

There are words sensical and non-sensible. They've just died out in modern
English -- a phenomenon that occurs all the time, and not only in English.

Regards, ----- WB.
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Martin Ambuhl
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Ali wrote:
Quote:
Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?

Isn't it? The SOED5 entry is, admittedly, short:
†sensical, adjective.
rare. L18–M19.
[from SENSE noun + -ICAL.]
Sensible.
OED2 add some citations:
†"sensical, a.
[f. sense n. + -ical.]
Sensible.
1797 S. J. Pratt Family Secrets in Monthly Rev. XXIII. 60 [Uses
‘sensical’ and ‘sensate’ for sensible].
1839 J. Rogers Antipopopr. i. iii. §1. 75 With sensical and thoughtful
men.

Quote:
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?

Isn't it? SOED5 lists it in the collection s.v. 'non-':
• non-"sensible adjective M19.
While OED2 gives it its own headword:
non-"sensible, a.
[non- 3.]
Not sensible.
1851 Millais in Life (1899) I. iv. 124 Forgive this nonsensible
scribble.
1875 Whitney Life Lang. viii. 137 Every figurative transfer which ever
made a successful designation for some non-sensible act or
relation .. rested upon a previous perception of analogy.

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Or am I just being nonsensical?

Not just nonsensical, but full of shit as well.
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John Dean
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Ali wrote:
Quote:
Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?
Or am I just being nonsensical?


You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't exist
if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I assume,
other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much anymore.
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John Dean
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Stewart Gordon
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

John Dean wrote:
<snip>
Quote:
You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't exist
if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I assume,
other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much anymore.

It seems they are obscure dictionaries, considering that both return
zero hits on OneLook. But Google brings up 105000 for "sensical" and
534 for "nonsensible".

I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as well?

Stewart.

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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:43:08 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
<FatherIgnatius@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:

Quote:
"Will" <billrigby@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115295145.852324.130510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Ali wrote:
Since "nonsensical" is a word, how come "sensical" is not a word?
And since "nonsensical" and "sensible" are words,
how come "nonsensible" is not a word?
Or am I just being nonsensical?

You are being naive to think that English is logical.

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words;
on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
--James D. Nicoll

If there is nothing worth keeping long little is kept. See below.


Quote:
Your question is very ept, and it makes me very gruntled when people
post such stuff.

I just saw "kempt" used seriously; COED has it, but Chambers points to
"kemb" which means "to comb" and where "kempt" means "combed".


Chambers is Scotch is it not?
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John Dean
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Stewart Gordon wrote:
Quote:
John Dean wrote:
snip
You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't
exist if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I
assume, other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much
anymore.

It seems they are obscure dictionaries, considering that both return
zero hits on OneLook.

If you think OED is obscure I congratulate you on your modernity.
If you think Onelook's collection of links definitive you shouldn't
waste your time reading posts here.
Quote:

I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

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John Dean
Oxford
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Martin Ambuhl
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Stewart Gordon wrote:
Quote:
John Dean wrote:
snip

You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't exist
if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I assume,
other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much anymore.


It seems they are obscure dictionaries, considering that both return
zero hits on OneLook. But Google brings up 105000 for "sensical" and
534 for "nonsensible".

Anyone who can call the _Oxford English Dictionary_ and the
_Shorter Oxford English Dictionary_ "obscure" has another think/thing
coming.

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I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as well?

The "obscure" SOED5 (what planet are you from?) has neither.
The "obscure" OED2 (what planet are you from?) has neither.

Are you a troll, stupid, or just ignorant?
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CDB
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:d5dgc7$cmo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
Quote:
Stewart Gordon wrote:
John Dean wrote:
snip
You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't
exist if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I
assume, other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much
anymore.

It seems they are obscure dictionaries, considering that both
return
zero hits on OneLook.

If you think OED is obscure I congratulate you on your modernity.
If you think Onelook's collection of links definitive you shouldn't
waste your time reading posts here.

I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

Opposite of "demanize"? CDB
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R H Draney
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

John Dean filted:
Quote:

Stewart Gordon wrote:

I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

Some people put it on sandwiches....r
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Robin Bignall
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

On Thu, 5 May 2005 17:10:16 +0100, "John Dean"
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:

Quote:
Stewart Gordon wrote:
John Dean wrote:
snip
You're falling into the predictable trap of assuming words don't
exist if you haven't seen or heard them being used. "sensical" and
"nonsensible" are both words, both attested to in the OED and, I
assume, other major dictionaries. You just don't hear them much
anymore.

It seems they are obscure dictionaries, considering that both return
zero hits on OneLook.

If you think OED is obscure I congratulate you on your modernity.
If you think Onelook's collection of links definitive you shouldn't
waste your time reading posts here.

I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

If a man can womanise, then surely a woman can manise. Equality and
all that..

--
wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire, England
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Stewart Gordon
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

CDB wrote:
Quote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:d5dgc7$cmo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

Stewart Gordon wrote:
snip
I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

Opposite of "demanize"? CDB

I'm afraid that word's even loster on me.

Stewart.

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Stewart Gordon
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Nonsensible and sensical... Reply with quote

Robin Bignall wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 5 May 2005 17:10:16 +0100, "John Dean"
john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
snip
I bet these obscure dictionaries list "manise" and/or "manize" as
well?

???????????????

If a man can womanise, then surely a woman can manise. Equality and
all that..

Exactly.

Stewart.

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