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Walsky
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:35 am
Post subject: scrubs (?) |
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Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
Thanks in advance!
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Regards
Walsky |
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Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:55 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 23:35:55 +0200, "Walsky" <walsky=NOSPAM=@konto.pl>
wrote:
| Quote: | Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
'Scrubs' are the special clothes surgeons wear during operations. |
'Scrub up' is the washing process of the hands that they do before
operations.
FYI, in BrE, 'The Scrubs' is Wormwood Scrubs prison in west London.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire, England |
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:02 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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Robin Bignall wrote:
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 23:35:55 +0200, "Walsky" <walsky=NOSPAM=@konto.pl
wrote:
Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
'Scrubs' are the special clothes surgeons wear during operations.
'Scrub up' is the washing process of the hands that they do before
operations.
FYI, in BrE, 'The Scrubs' is Wormwood Scrubs prison in west London.
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"Scrubs" is also American slang (somewhat dated) for the members of
a team who rarely get to play and usually sit at the far end of the
bench.
"Scrub in" is a medical term meaning (for a doctor or medical
student) to be allowed to be present at a surgical operation, and
perhaps to participate in it.
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Liebs |
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Lars Eighner
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:56 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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In our last episode,
<d5bfeh$e1e$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>,
the lovely and talented Walsky
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
| Quote: | Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
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"Scrub" means to wash vigorously in English.
In medical context it refers to the process of preparing for
surgery - which involves vigorous washing and many other
procedures aimed at establishing a sterile field.
The loose-fitting pajamas worn by the surgical staff are called
"scrubs." In preparation for surgery these are usual donned
while the garments are fresh from the autoclave and relatively
sterile. These are the garments worn under surgical gowns. Such
garments are also often worn by both the medical and surgical
staffs in less pristine procedures and in just walking around
the hospital.
To "scrub in" is to prepare to join a surgical team, by washing
up, putting on scrubs, and being gowned and gloved.
--
Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
If I had to live my life again, I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner.
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 17:56:32 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | In our last episode,
d5bfeh$e1e$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>,
the lovely and talented Walsky
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
"Scrub" means to wash vigorously in English.
In medical context it refers to the process of preparing for
surgery - which involves vigorous washing and many other
procedures aimed at establishing a sterile field.
The loose-fitting pajamas worn by the surgical staff are called
"scrubs." In preparation for surgery these are usual donned
while the garments are fresh from the autoclave and relatively
sterile. These are the garments worn under surgical gowns. Such
garments are also often worn by both the medical and surgical
staffs in less pristine procedures and in just walking around
the hospital.
To "scrub in" is to prepare to join a surgical team, by washing
up, putting on scrubs, and being gowned and gloved.
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I speak from some experience in this, since I've donned scrubs at
least as often as anyone here. I've been an observer in countless
surgical procedures as part of my business.
Scrubs - also called "greens" - are not autoclaved. They're washed
and stacked in the doctor's or nurse's changing rooms. The term
"scrubs", of course, is associated with the scrubbing up process as
you describe. In the hospitals I've been in, the prevalent term for
years was "greens" because they were always made of green cotton
material. I don't know when "scrubs" became popular, but I suspect it
was something to do with movies and television because "greens" didn't
make sense to viewers.
As an observer in surgery, I would have to change to greens, don paper
shoe covers, a cap, and a mask. I was not required to gown or to wear
gloves unless I was to do something that required me to come in
contact with the patient or something that came in contact with the
patient.
The gowns at one time were cloth and autoclaved, but I haven't seen an
autoclaved gown for decades. They're all disposable paper that has
been sterilized and packaged. Caps and masks are also paper now.
None of them are autoclaved since an autoclave is heat and steam.
They're sterilized by radiation.
Over the years, fashion changed the greens to blue and then to
flowered and patterned cloth. I've also seen white greens. The first
time I saw blue greens was at Mass Eye & Ear where I was sent in to
the changing room to change into greens and couldn't find them. I
thought the blue stacks were for some other purpose.
Despite having to wear gowns and gloves on numerous occasions, I want
to tell you that getting them on is a trick and a half. The sterile
gown must not touch anything non-sterile, and a scrub nurse holds one
open for you to dive into. The gloves are even trickier. You can't
touch the cuff. Do it every day and you get used to it, but even
surgeons sometimes have to make more than one shot at it.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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Lars Eighner
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:44 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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In our last episode,
<b9ni71hqf5ccf7i9jk7n2ur4rf02cja94e@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Tony Cooper
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
| Quote: | On Wed, 04 May 2005 17:56:32 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com
wrote:
In our last episode,
d5bfeh$e1e$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>,
the lovely and talented Walsky
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
Hello there,
I've been watching this US TV drama "Grey's Anatomy"
(www.imdb.com/title/tt0413573/) It's only recently that I've heard the
characters saying expressions like: "scrubs" "scrub in" and so forth.
Any idea what they might mean in relation to the kind of language they might
use in this particular place?
"Scrub" means to wash vigorously in English.
In medical context it refers to the process of preparing for
surgery - which involves vigorous washing and many other
procedures aimed at establishing a sterile field.
The loose-fitting pajamas worn by the surgical staff are called
"scrubs." In preparation for surgery these are usual donned
while the garments are fresh from the autoclave and relatively
sterile. These are the garments worn under surgical gowns. Such
garments are also often worn by both the medical and surgical
staffs in less pristine procedures and in just walking around
the hospital.
To "scrub in" is to prepare to join a surgical team, by washing
up, putting on scrubs, and being gowned and gloved.
I speak from some experience in this, since I've donned scrubs at
least as often as anyone here. I've been an observer in countless
surgical procedures as part of my business.
Scrubs - also called "greens" - are not autoclaved.
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I've only been on the floor of an operating theatre in a
vertical position a couple of times, and both times (same day,
same hospital) my scrubs came in a brown paper package which
came out of an autoclave in the changing room (and were light
indigo, not green). The gowns came in similar packages, but of
course I did not handle the packages or open them myself. Apart
from those limited experiences with surgery, I worked for many
years in medical-model facilities where scrubs did indeed
come from the regular hospital laundry just like linens.
| Quote: | They're washed
and stacked in the doctor's or nurse's changing rooms. The term
"scrubs", of course, is associated with the scrubbing up process as
you describe. In the hospitals I've been in, the prevalent term for
years was "greens" because they were always made of green cotton
material. I don't know when "scrubs" became popular, but I suspect it
was something to do with movies and television because "greens" didn't
make sense to viewers.
As an observer in surgery, I would have to change to greens, don paper
shoe covers, a cap, and a mask. I was not required to gown or to wear
gloves unless I was to do something that required me to come in
contact with the patient or something that came in contact with the
patient.
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I was gowned (in cloth) on both occasions. I observed a gall
bladder and was invited to observe from the operator's side of
the table - the significance of which favor I did not understand
at the time. Later I observed some orthopedic surgery which
involved mucking around in soft tissue looking for a nerve. I
was fascinated by the gall bladder, but I have to admit the
soft-tissue stuff made me a mite queasy.
| Quote: | The gowns at one time were cloth and autoclaved, but I haven't seen an
autoclaved gown for decades. They're all disposable paper that has
been sterilized and packaged. Caps and masks are also paper now.
None of them are autoclaved since an autoclave is heat and steam.
They're sterilized by radiation.
Over the years, fashion changed the greens to blue and then to
flowered and patterned cloth. I've also seen white greens. The first
time I saw blue greens was at Mass Eye & Ear where I was sent in to
the changing room to change into greens and couldn't find them. I
thought the blue stacks were for some other purpose.
Despite having to wear gowns and gloves on numerous occasions, I want
to tell you that getting them on is a trick and a half. The sterile
gown must not touch anything non-sterile, and a scrub nurse holds one
open for you to dive into. The gloves are even trickier. You can't
touch the cuff. Do it every day and you get used to it, but even
surgeons sometimes have to make more than one shot at it.
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Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
If you want to say it with flowers, a single rose says : "I'm cheap!"
--Delta Burke |
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:11 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 04:19:20 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
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| Quote: | Too much hiking can
be uncomfortable.
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But it's so good for you. EIC. |
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:11 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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Lars Eighner filted:
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In our last episode,
v3ti711gt4lejran9ed6bim0j1esbk7jje@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Tony Cooper
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:44:39 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com
wrote:
(and were light indigo, not green).
I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
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"My name is Indigo Montoya.
You bleached my father's blue jeans.
Prepare to dye."
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:11 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:03:09 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | In our last episode,
v3ti711gt4lejran9ed6bim0j1esbk7jje@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Tony Cooper
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:44:39 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com
wrote:
I've only been on the floor of an operating theatre in a
vertical position a couple of times, and both times (same day,
same hospital) my scrubs came in a brown paper package which
came out of an autoclave in the changing room
I wouldn't dispute your own experience, Lars, but an autoclave
sterilizes by high pressure steam heat. That's not good for paper or
cloth. There are dry heat sterilizers, but they aren't autoclaves.
Well, come to think of it, I don't know if it was an autoclave.
It was a cylindrical machine with a thick, safe-like circular
door. The distinction between autoclave and
generic-sterilizing-by-other-means machine would have been lost
on me.
(and were light indigo, not green).
I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
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I mentioned in my post that greens are now often blue. Some still
call blue greens greens. A pile of blue greens will range from the
original blue to a faded blue from repeated laundering.
I have to point out that you are 'way over my head when it comes to
naming colors. When I go into a department store to look for (blue)
jeans, it seems there are several different shades of blue. I don't
ask the sales person where the indigo jeans are, but I do ask where
the ones are that are made of that stretchier material that doesn't
bind as much in the crotch.
I don't have a particularly big ass. Jeans droop on me, so I have to
hike them up in order not to trip over the cuffs. Too much hiking can
be uncomfortable.
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:12 am
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:44:39 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I've only been on the floor of an operating theatre in a
vertical position a couple of times, and both times (same day,
same hospital) my scrubs came in a brown paper package which
came out of an autoclave in the changing room
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I wouldn't dispute your own experience, Lars, but an autoclave
sterilizes by high pressure steam heat. That's not good for paper or
cloth. There are dry heat sterilizers, but they aren't autoclaves.
| Quote: | (and were light indigo, not green).
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I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
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Tony Cooper
Orlando FL |
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Lars Eighner
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:12 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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In our last episode,
<v3ti711gt4lejran9ed6bim0j1esbk7jje@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Tony Cooper
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
| Quote: | On Wed, 04 May 2005 19:44:39 -0500, Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com
wrote:
I've only been on the floor of an operating theatre in a
vertical position a couple of times, and both times (same day,
same hospital) my scrubs came in a brown paper package which
came out of an autoclave in the changing room
I wouldn't dispute your own experience, Lars, but an autoclave
sterilizes by high pressure steam heat. That's not good for paper or
cloth. There are dry heat sterilizers, but they aren't autoclaves.
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Well, come to think of it, I don't know if it was an autoclave.
It was a cylindrical machine with a thick, safe-like circular
door. The distinction between autoclave and
generic-sterilizing-by-other-means machine would have been lost
on me.
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
--
Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
If you want to say it with flowers, a single rose says : "I'm cheap!"
--Delta Burke |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:12 am
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper broadcast:
I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
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Maybe you have to be in a certain mood.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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Stuart Chapman
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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Skitt wrote:
| Quote: | Lars Eighner wrote:
Tony Cooper broadcast:
I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
Maybe you have to be in a certain mood.
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Kind of Blue ??
Stupot |
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Walsky
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:54 pm
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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In article <4279466B.D466161C@Verizon.net>,
Robert Lieblich <Robert.Lieblich@Verizon.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Scrubs" is also American slang (somewhat dated) for the members of
a team who rarely get to play and usually sit at the far end of the
bench.
"Scrub in" is a medical term meaning (for a doctor or medical
student) to be allowed to be present at a surgical operation, and
perhaps to participate in it.
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Thanks a lot. It makes sense now  .
--
Regards
Walsky |
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:03 pm
Post subject: Re: scrubs (?) |
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Stuart Chapman wrote:
| Quote: | Skitt wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
Tony Cooper broadcast:
I don't know what "light indigo" is. Can you find it at:
http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html
It is the color of slightly faded blue jeans - which were at one
time dyed with indigo. I can't pick it out of the charts, but
#8800FF RBG is close - not red enough to be purple, but not a
shade of pure blue. Bluish magenta? I understand many people
are uncertain what color Newton meant by "indigo," too.
Maybe you have to be in a certain mood.
Kind of Blue ??
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No, Mood Indigo. You want me to hum a few bars?
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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