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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:15 pm
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The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide debate on ...
you guessed it: evolution!
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Kansas is holding its own hearings on what school children should be
taught about how life on Earth began.
The Kansas Board of Education has scheduled six days of courtroom-style
hearings to begin Thursday in Topeka. More than two dozen witnesses
will give testimony and be subject to cross-examination, with the
majority expected to argue against teaching evolution.
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Read all about it on CNN.com: http://tinyurl.com/7m63a
Does anyone want to take any bets on how W will weigh in on the debate?
Can anyone out there explain why the people who run the state of Kansas
are so stupid? Does anyone (other than the Orlando Orifice) still
believe that BACs deserve respect? Maybe the USA ought to erect a
monument to their intellectual prowess. I think an appropriate monument
would be a crater the size and shape of Kansas.
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R J Valentine
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:10 am
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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On Tue, 3 May 2005 15:15:55 +0000 (UTC) CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
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} Can anyone out there explain why the people who run the state of Kansas
} are so stupid? Does anyone (other than the Orlando Orifice) still
} believe that BACs deserve respect? Maybe the USA ought to erect a
} monument to their intellectual prowess. I think an appropriate monument
} would be a crater the size and shape of Kansas.
Do we get to vote on where to put it?
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:35 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Wayne Brown wrote on 05 May 2005:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide debate
on ... you guessed it: evolution!
[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on
religion in the United States during which a high school biology
teacher in the neighboring state of Oklahoma told the TV
correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his classes because he
believed in God. Some European viewers were surely reminded of the
days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church tried to keep the lid
on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and others of his ilk. The
outcome of the debate in Kansas will indicate whether the American
mind there is going to be shut even tighter than it already is.
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As much as I carp about the stupidity of Americans, I believe that only
half of them are this stupid. I don't think it's fair to characterize
all Americans as close-minded Dark Ages religionsts. Most of the people
who live in the pork belly of America are cinched by the same buckle as
those in the Bible Belt. Consequently, most have suffered from serious
cerebral ischemia. Even those who should know better are unwittingly
affected by the strength of the cognitive dissonance running through
not only the Apocalyptical visionaries but also the cynically
manipulated political process --- such as it is --- in a country whose
leaders and sheep think it is the be-all and end-all of all social and
political experiments.
They can't believe that their way of life isn't the best, that their
values aren't the purest and most universal, and that they aren't the
most envied for all of what they see as the benefits of being born
American. If that's what you mean by the American mind being "shut even
tighter than it already is", I have to say that I don't think it's
possible: the stone has no more blood to offer.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 4:39 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
| Quote: | CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
Wayne Brown wrote on 05 May 2005:
CyberCypher wrote:
The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide
debate on ... you guessed it: evolution!
[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on
religion in the United States during which a high school
biology teacher in the neighboring state of Oklahoma told the
TV correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his classes
because he believed in God. Some European viewers were surely
reminded of the days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church
tried to keep the lid on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and
others of his ilk. The outcome of the debate in Kansas will
indicate whether the American mind there is going to be shut
even tighter than it already is.
As much as I carp about the stupidity of Americans, I believe
that only half of them are this stupid. I don't think it's fair
to characterize all Americans as close-minded Dark Ages
religionsts. Most of the people who live in the pork belly of
America are cinched by the same buckle as those in the Bible
Belt. Consequently, most have suffered from serious cerebral
ischemia. Even those who should know better are unwittingly
affected by the strength of the cognitive dissonance running
through not only the Apocalyptical visionaries but also the
cynically manipulated political process --- such as it is --- in
a country whose leaders and sheep think it is the be-all and
end-all of all social and political experiments.
They can't believe that their way of life isn't the best, that
their values aren't the purest and most universal, and that they
aren't the most envied for all of what they see as the benefits
of being born American. If that's what you mean by the American
mind being "shut even tighter than it already is", I have to say
that I don't think it's possible: the stone has no more blood to
offer.
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
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Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004 election?
Honestly, Murray, you seem to forget who your president is and who
controls both houses of your Congress. Proof enough for most
Europeans and Asians. Maybe you should watch more international cable
channels or read something other than USA Today.
I know you guys have no idea of what American political rhetoric
sounds like to the rest of the world, and I know that you guys have
no idea how Americans are viewed by anyone other than yourselves. But
America does have the NBA, and that's serious compensation for all
its political, ethical, and cultural deficits, even now that Michael
Jordan isn't airborne. Such is the rest of the world. Americans
aren't the only buttheads in the world, just the least aware of what
buttheads they are. This is why I dissociate myself from the rest of
you when I say things like this.
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:14 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Linz wrote on 05 May 2005:
| Quote: | "CyberCypher" <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
news:Xns964DE67162F41seednews@139.175.55.249...
Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
[...]
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004 election?
Honestly, Murray, you seem to forget who your president is and who
controls both houses of your Congress. Proof enough for most
Europeans and Asians. Maybe you should watch more international
cable channels or read something other than USA Today.
Fewer than half of Americans voted for Bush. So how does that make
half of Americans "whichever defamatory description you desire"?
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Ah, Linz, you forgot about the the Congress. The American people who
voted for someone other than Kerry effectively voted for Bush and
cronies. The American electoral system has two parties and almost
always has. Either the Dems or the Reps win, except, perhaps, at the
state or local level. There are no third-party Senators or
Representatives in Congress. While voting Lib-Dem might be a good
choice in the UK, voting for Nader or the Libertarian Party or one of
the other insignificant parties in the USA is an exercise in futility
and frustration.
The electorate speaks for America regardless of the percentage of
voters who actually voted or failed to vote.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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Wayne Brown
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:55 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide debate on
... you guessed it: evolution!
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[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on religion in the
United States during which a high school biology teacher in the neighboring
state of Oklahoma told the TV correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his
classes because he believed in God. Some European viewers were surely
reminded of the days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church tried to keep
the lid on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and others of his ilk. The
outcome of the debate in Kansas will indicate whether the American mind
there is going to be shut even tighter than it already is.
Regards, ----- WB. |
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Areff
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:58 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Sara Lorimer wrote:
[Franke:]
| Quote: | There are no third-party Senators or
Representatives in Congress.
What's Bernie Sanders, chopped liver?
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Well, he's "Independent", but I'm not sure that makes him a "third-party
Representative", just unaligned. According to his website, he was also an
"Independent" when he was mayor of Burlington. Early on in his career he
was a member of an actual third party, the "Liberty Union" party. I've
heard him described as a socialist, which I presume is meant in a
non-partisan sense.
He caucuses (= SparkE "coccuses") with the Democrats.
BTW, Bernie Sanders may be a Vermonter now, but he was born and raised in
Brooklyn (Fourth Largest City in America). |
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:27 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Sara Lorimer wrote on 06 May 2005:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
Linz wrote on 05 May 2005:
Fewer than half of Americans voted for Bush. So how does that
make half of Americans "whichever defamatory description you
desire"?
Ah, Linz, you forgot about the the Congress. The American people
who voted for someone other than Kerry effectively voted for Bush
and cronies. The American electoral system has two parties and
almost always has. Either the Dems or the Reps win, except,
perhaps, at the state or local level. There are no third-party
Senators or Representatives in Congress.
What's Bernie Sanders, chopped liver?
Okay. You got me. What's Bernie Sanders? The Colonel's son who sells |
fried chicken to the Congressional prayer breakfast hypocrites?
Who does he vote with? Does he make a difference? For the 15 years that
he's been in the House, I've never heard his name once. He's no Howard
Dean (That is Dean's first name, isn't it?).
In any case, he has no political party but is an independent and calls
himself a socialist.
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Murray Arnow
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:51 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Wayne Brown wrote on 05 May 2005:
CyberCypher wrote:
The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide debate
on ... you guessed it: evolution!
[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on
religion in the United States during which a high school biology
teacher in the neighboring state of Oklahoma told the TV
correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his classes because he
believed in God. Some European viewers were surely reminded of the
days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church tried to keep the lid
on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and others of his ilk. The
outcome of the debate in Kansas will indicate whether the American
mind there is going to be shut even tighter than it already is.
As much as I carp about the stupidity of Americans, I believe that only
half of them are this stupid. I don't think it's fair to characterize
all Americans as close-minded Dark Ages religionsts. Most of the people
who live in the pork belly of America are cinched by the same buckle as
those in the Bible Belt. Consequently, most have suffered from serious
cerebral ischemia. Even those who should know better are unwittingly
affected by the strength of the cognitive dissonance running through
not only the Apocalyptical visionaries but also the cynically
manipulated political process --- such as it is --- in a country whose
leaders and sheep think it is the be-all and end-all of all social and
political experiments.
They can't believe that their way of life isn't the best, that their
values aren't the purest and most universal, and that they aren't the
most envied for all of what they see as the benefits of being born
American. If that's what you mean by the American mind being "shut even
tighter than it already is", I have to say that I don't think it's
possible: the stone has no more blood to offer.
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After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please supply data
to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are "choose whichever
defamatory description you desire." |
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:21 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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Murray Arnow wrote on 06 May 2005:
| Quote: | CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
[...]
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004
election?
You damn well better. Let's look at this "majority." There are
about 293 million Americans.
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How many of them are eligible to vote? If they're not eligible to
vote, they don't count. Of those eligible to vote, how many were
registered voters? If they didn't register, they don't count. Of
those who were registered, how many actually voted? If they didn't
vote, they don't count.
| Quote: | About 122 million voted in the election. About 50% of those
voted "stupidly."
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Well, there you have it. By your own admission, about half the voting
electorate voted stupidly.
| Quote: | I don't know what math you're using, but my math doesn't
conclude 1 out of 5 is a majority or even a most.
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Do you really care what people who weren't eligible to vote or
registered to vote or didn't vote thought? I don't. They don't count.
You might as well count corpses as count them.
| Quote: | Honestly, Murray, you seem to forget who your president is and
who controls both houses of your Congress.
And I suppose everyone marches in lockstep with the White House.
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I don't see any strong waves of protest in the USA at the moment.
Where are the marches on Washington? Where's the national sense of
outrage that Frist and his friends changed the House ethics rules so
that he didn't have to step down during the nongoing investigation of
his campaign criminality? The White House is behind him, the GOP in
the House is behind him, and the American public don't seem to give a
damn. I'd say that's fairly locksteppish.
| Quote: | Proof enough for most Europeans and Asians.
Now "most" Europeans and Asians are also superficially interested
in the facts.
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Ah, yes, you've got the proper generalization there: "superficially".
| Quote: | Of course, you can provide excellent data to support
your facts.
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The last I heard, George W. Bush was still President, Dick
Halliburton Cheney was still Vice-President, the GOP was still in
control of the Congress, Laura Bush (as insipid a First Lady as
Mamie) was the most popular woman in America, the USA was still
dickin' around in Iraq and Afghanistan, only one soldier had been
successfully prosecuted for the Abu Gharib debacle, Condie Rice had
threatened N. Korea with atomic war, the White House was trying to
get Bolton confirmed as the US ambassador to the UN in order to plant
its own WMD in that organization, the US Army had justified killing
the Italian agent who protected at the cost of his own life the
Italian journalist they almost succeeded in offing, the US was doing
nothing about the murders in Darfur or the DRC (not that I care, but
where's the meat of Conservative Compassion?), the White House was
saying that the best way to beat America's dependence on foreign oil
was to dig for it in every American's back yard instead of rethinking
the transportation crisis in the USA, and the US was still losing all
its chips to the PRC in the international trade game.
| Quote: | Maybe you should watch more international cable
channels or read something other than USA Today.
Now that you have me pegged as one the majority of stupid
Americans, there is little useful purpose to continue.
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Are you mindlessly generalizaing about all the readers of USA Today?
I honestly have no idea what kind of a rag it is politically, Murray.
I don't read it, but that's only because the only news they seem to
have is gossip about TV shows and singers. Maybe that's why it's
"America's best-selling newspaper": Americans know that "'American
Idol' Scandal could help the show. ABC probes ex-contestant Clark's
assertions that Abdul helped him through the competition" is the most
important piece of American news today. Maybe that's why you said
what you did about people who read it? Well, at least we agree on
something.
| Quote: | The reason I entered this thread wasn't to get involved in this
political rant but to object to the mindless use of
generalizations.
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Well, why didn't you say so right away? I thought you wanted to
exercise your desire to defend to the death my right to express my
opinions however hateful they might be to you. Isn't that what you
meant by your concern about the drool pouring over my bottom lip and
running down my beard only to drip from my chin onto my keyboard and
maybe gum it up? It did sound a bit too nationalistic to be genuine
concern, though.
And then I thought, well, no he really wanted to remind me how much
larger than Taiwan the USA is by pointing out that I couldn't call
neonates, vegetables, felons in Florida (and 12 or 13 other states),
and illiterates stupid for voting for Bush when they obviously didn't
vote. You know, 7 times as many Americans than there are legal
residents of Taiwan didn't vote in the US election. That's a huge and
mindless generalization.
Any time you want to object to mindless generalizations, just
remember what the bushie Neocons said about the war in Iraq: Iraq has
WMDs, the war'll be over in 3 months, the Iraqis will embrace the US
for getting rid of Saddam, and everyone wants to live as Americans
do, even Muslim theocrats.
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Linz
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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"CyberCypher" <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in message
news:Xns964DE67162F41seednews@139.175.55.249...
| Quote: | Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
As much as I carp about the stupidity of Americans, I believe
that only half of them are this stupid. I don't think it's fair
to characterize all Americans as close-minded Dark Ages
religionsts. Most of the people who live in the pork belly of
America are cinched by the same buckle as those in the Bible
Belt. Consequently, most have suffered from serious cerebral
ischemia. Even those who should know better are unwittingly
affected by the strength of the cognitive dissonance running
through not only the Apocalyptical visionaries but also the
cynically manipulated political process --- such as it is --- in
a country whose leaders and sheep think it is the be-all and
end-all of all social and political experiments.
They can't believe that their way of life isn't the best, that
their values aren't the purest and most universal, and that they
aren't the most envied for all of what they see as the benefits
of being born American. If that's what you mean by the American
mind being "shut even tighter than it already is", I have to say
that I don't think it's possible: the stone has no more blood to
offer.
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004 election?
Honestly, Murray, you seem to forget who your president is and who
controls both houses of your Congress. Proof enough for most
Europeans and Asians. Maybe you should watch more international
cable channels or read something other than USA Today.
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Fewer than half of Americans voted for Bush. So how does that make
half of Americans "whichever defamatory description you desire"? |
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:55:45 +0200, "Wayne Brown" <Wayne.Brown@aol.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | CyberCypher wrote:
The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide debate on
... you guessed it: evolution!
[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on religion in the
United States during which a high school biology teacher in the neighboring
state of Oklahoma told the TV correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his
classes because he believed in God. Some European viewers were surely
reminded of the days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church tried to keep
the lid on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and others of his ilk. The
outcome of the debate in Kansas will indicate whether the American mind
there is going to be shut even tighter than it already is.
Regards, ----- WB.
You two going to put on a comedy act together? |
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Sara Lorimer
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:33 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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CyberCypher wrote:
| Quote: | Linz wrote on 05 May 2005:
Fewer than half of Americans voted for Bush. So how does that make
half of Americans "whichever defamatory description you desire"?
Ah, Linz, you forgot about the the Congress. The American people who
voted for someone other than Kerry effectively voted for Bush and
cronies. The American electoral system has two parties and almost
always has. Either the Dems or the Reps win, except, perhaps, at the
state or local level. There are no third-party Senators or
Representatives in Congress.
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What's Bernie Sanders, chopped liver?
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SML,
former Vermont voter |
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Murray Arnow
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| Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:47 pm
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
Wayne Brown wrote on 05 May 2005:
CyberCypher wrote:
The state of Kansas is going to have a serious state-wide
debate on ... you guessed it: evolution!
[...]
A European TV station the other day showed a documentary on
religion in the United States during which a high school
biology teacher in the neighboring state of Oklahoma told the
TV correspondent he didn't teach evolution in his classes
because he believed in God. Some European viewers were surely
reminded of the days when the powerful Roman Catholic Church
tried to keep the lid on Pandora's box by muzzling Galileo and
others of his ilk. The outcome of the debate in Kansas will
indicate whether the American mind there is going to be shut
even tighter than it already is.
As much as I carp about the stupidity of Americans, I believe
that only half of them are this stupid. I don't think it's fair
to characterize all Americans as close-minded Dark Ages
religionsts. Most of the people who live in the pork belly of
America are cinched by the same buckle as those in the Bible
Belt. Consequently, most have suffered from serious cerebral
ischemia. Even those who should know better are unwittingly
affected by the strength of the cognitive dissonance running
through not only the Apocalyptical visionaries but also the
cynically manipulated political process --- such as it is --- in
a country whose leaders and sheep think it is the be-all and
end-all of all social and political experiments.
They can't believe that their way of life isn't the best, that
their values aren't the purest and most universal, and that they
aren't the most envied for all of what they see as the benefits
of being born American. If that's what you mean by the American
mind being "shut even tighter than it already is", I have to say
that I don't think it's possible: the stone has no more blood to
offer.
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004 election?
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You damn well better. Let's look at this "majority." There are about 293
million Americans. About 122 million voted in the election. About 50% of
those voted "stupidly." I don't know what math you're using, but my math
doesn't conclude 1 out of 5 is a majority or even a most.
| Quote: | Honestly, Murray, you seem to forget who your president is and who
controls both houses of your Congress.
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And I suppose everyone marches in lockstep with the White House.
| Quote: | Proof enough for most Europeans and Asians.
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Now "most" Europeans and Asians are also superficially interested in the
facts. Of course, you can provide excellent data to support your facts.
| Quote: | Maybe you should watch more international cable
channels or read something other than USA Today.
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Now that you have me pegged as one the majority of stupid Americans,
there is little useful purpose to continue.
The reason I entered this thread wasn't to get involved in this
political rant but to object to the mindless use of generalizations. |
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Murray Arnow
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: New Scopes monkey trial in Kansas |
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CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Murray Arnow wrote on 06 May 2005:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote:
Murray Arnow wrote on 05 May 2005:
[...]
After you wipe the spittle from your mouth, would you please
supply data to prove that most (or half of all) Americans are
"choose whichever defamatory description you desire."
Do I really need to provide any more proof than the 2004
election?
You damn well better. Let's look at this "majority." There are
about 293 million Americans.
How many of them are eligible to vote? If they're not eligible to
vote, they don't count. Of those eligible to vote, how many were
registered voters? If they didn't register, they don't count. Of
those who were registered, how many actually voted? If they didn't
vote, they don't count.
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Then why are they stupid? Aren't they part of the "most Americans" who
you say are stupid? BTW, you have a rather disturbing way of
disenfranchising citizens. Why is it if you're too young to vote, unable
to vote or refuse to endorse an election, you have no rights?
This is a ridiculous thread, emphasize ridiculous. It is about
justifying extreme rhetoric. I think it's boring and won't follow up. |
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