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fractal52
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:01 am
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See the data at this link. It seems to indicate slightly higher SAT
scores and GPAs from the average 2004 applicant. The drop in total
applicants may simply be a function of better guidance re chances of
admissions success.
http://www.ucop.edu/news/archives/2004/applications2004/indicators.pdf |
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rick++
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:36 am
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The 40% increase in "fees" (California colleges are tuition-free 
might have had something to do with it. Also international applicants
are way down due to tougher visas. |
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Abe Kohen
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:35 am
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"fractal52" <fractal52@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a2f95a61.0402051401.1ea06f73@posting.google.com...
A lot of the "increases" are statistically insignificant as they fall within
the margin of error.
Abe |
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octo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:34 am
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Point A:
02/05/2002 - Updated 01:06 AM ET
A call for an end to grade inflation
By Mary Beth Marklein, USA TODAY
At Harvard University, a recent study found that nearly half of all
grades awarded were A or A-minus.
A tenured professor is suing Temple University, saying he was fired
because he wouldn't make his courses easier or give students higher
grades
Point B:
40% of High School students have better than A- GPA and trending to
~50% as the College Stats.
Face it, less students are applying to Cal. because of higher fees and
lower admission standards. The growth are still visible in the top
tier Ivys where money is no object to applicants.
fractal52@yahoo.com (fractal52) wrote in message news:<a2f95a61.0402051401.1ea06f73@posting.google.com>...
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Hank Murphy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:15 am
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octo wrote in message ...
<snip grade inflation comments, with which I generally agree>
With regard to the quality of applicants, see:
http://www.ucop.edu/news/archives/2004/applications2004/indicators.pdf
GPA and SAT are up slightly across the board.
| Quote: | Face it, less students are applying to Cal. because of higher fees and
lower admission standards. The growth are still visible in the top
tier Ivys where money is no object to applicants.
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octo...I don't know if you are paying for your children to attend college,
as I am...but the UCs in general are *a steal*, and Berkeley and UCLA are
grand theft! IIRC total tuition/fees/whatever for 2003-2004 (three
quarters) was $5,550.50. Next year it will be about $6200 if I have my
numbers right. These figures don't include health fees and of course, are
in-state numbers. The UCs in general are a bargain.
I do not understand the relationship between a perception of lower admission
standards and decreased number of applicants.
As for fewer students applying to Cal, it was actually up one percent among
the in-state applications. See:
http://www.ucop.edu/news/archives/2004/applications2004/app04table5.pdf
All the other UCs except Santa Cruz were down slightly, two-point-something
being the most common percentage.
There are some other factors in the works here. First, Cal is under an
enrollment cap agreement worked out with the city of Berkeley. I believe
this is generally known among high school counsellors in the Bay Area.
Second, in California it's much easier to gain admission to a highly
selective UC through community college than straight from high school. Cal
is encouraging some applicants to take that route. For transfer
application stats, see:
http://www.ucop.edu/news/archives/2004/applications2004/app04table9.pdf
Cutting to the chase, community college transfer apps are up eleven percent
at Cal, an average of twelve percent systemwide, and 35 percent at
Riverside.
I also suspect that the difficulty of admission to Cal is causing more
freshman applicants to select Santa Cruz as a decent college college close
to home. This also may have made for a smaller reduction at Davis, which
was only down half a percent. Unfortunately, the UCOP numbers for applicant
location are systemwide, not by campus, so I can't prove or disprove this
hypothesis.
So...still a bargain, still attracting excellent applicants. What am I
missing here?
Hank Murphy
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fractal52
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:42 am
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"Abe Kohen" <akohen@xenon.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c04098$12mvn9$1@ID-102750.news.uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | "fractal52" <fractal52@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a2f95a61.0402051401.1ea06f73@posting.google.com...
See the data at this link. It seems to indicate slightly higher SAT
scores and GPAs from the average 2004 applicant. The drop in total
applicants may simply be a function of better guidance re chances of
admissions success.
http://www.ucop.edu/news/archives/2004/applications2004/indicators.pdf
A lot of the "increases" are statistically insignificant as they fall within
the margin of error.
Abe
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There were 73,000 2004 applicants, and their average composite SAT 1
score was up 8 points from the 2003 applicant pool. How much more
would have been necessary for statistical significance at, say, the 5%
level? |
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Sally
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:07 am
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fractal52@yahoo.com (fractal52) wrote in message news:<a2f95a61.0402051401.1ea06f73@posting.google.com>...
I think part of the reason that applications are down is that
Eligbility in the Local Context is really kicking in. When it first
started, about three years ago, some high schools did not participate.
Now more are participating. Since ELC candidates are guaranteed a
spot, they only need to apply to one UC. If they don't get in, they
are redirected. ELC is top 4% of each high school, so the actual
numbers could be substantial.
Sal |
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