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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:17 am
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ray o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "Skitt" wrote:
ray o'hara wrote:
"Skitt" wrote:
ray o'hara wrote:
B-24s where called Liberators not Liberations, it was the planes
name, all planes had a name to gowith its numerical
designation,P-38s were called Lightings.
Lightnings.
It was a typo and several others beat you in pointing it out.
Yeah, I had not refreshed my newsreader's crop. Sorry 'bout that.
What made me react was the misfortune you had in mistyping the word
you specifically wanted to present. I thought that you would have
paid special attention to it. Thus I suspected that you were not
sure of the spelling. As others have pointed out, Google reveals
many misspellings of that particular word. One never knows, you
know. I, certainly, don't.
Lightning is a fairly common word. It was just a typo.
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I know it now. As for common words, so are "lightening" and "lighting".
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:17 am
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"Skitt" <skitt99@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | ray o'hara wrote:
"Skitt" wrote:
ray o'hara wrote:
B-24s where called Liberators not Liberations, it was the planes
name, all planes had a name to gowith its numerical
designation,P-38s were called Lightings.
Lightnings.
It was a typo and several others beat you in pointing it out.
Yeah, I had not refreshed my newsreader's crop. Sorry 'bout that. What
made me react was the misfortune you had in mistyping the word you
specifically wanted to present. I thought that you would have paid
special
attention to it. Thus I suspected that you were not sure of the spelling.
As others have pointed out, Google reveals many misspellings of that
particular word. One never knows, you know. I, certainly, don't.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/
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Skitt
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:17 am
Post subject: Re: Western stars |
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ray o'hara wrote:
| Quote: | "Skitt" wrote:
ray o'hara wrote:
B-24s where called Liberators not Liberations, it was the planes
name, all planes had a name to gowith its numerical
designation,P-38s were called Lightings.
Lightnings.
It was a typo and several others beat you in pointing it out.
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Yeah, I had not refreshed my newsreader's crop. Sorry 'bout that. What
made me react was the misfortune you had in mistyping the word you
specifically wanted to present. I thought that you would have paid special
attention to it. Thus I suspected that you were not sure of the spelling.
As others have pointed out, Google reveals many misspellings of that
particular word. One never knows, you know. I, certainly, don't.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/ |
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J. J. Lodder
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Western stars |
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Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote in message
news:UiObe.3979$395.2025@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
in 1148287 20050427 140444 "ray o'hara" <roh@comcast.net> wrote:
B-24s where called Liberators not Liberations, it was the planes name,
all
planes had a name to gowith its numerical designation,P-38s were called
Lightings.
or even, sometimes, Lightnings.
When I was small, and thrilled about the war, we got very specific about
names. These planes had a most romantic name: Lockheed Lightning.
They were actually developed before the war began.
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They were an imitation of the Fokker G1 (1934, first showed 1936)
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Thomas W Ping
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:07 pm
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:36:55 +0000, Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | "masahiko" <kirikojima@m5.dion.ne.j> wrote in message
news:pdIbe.101$Ch5.84@news1.dion.ne.jp...
The following sentence appears in a fiction which depicts the life in
Manila during WWII.
Then come the newer P-38 fighters, escorting Amerikano B-24 liberation
bombers with the Western stars on their sides and their bellies ripe:
What is "Western stars" here?
These, maybe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USAF_roundel.png
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For anyone interested, here is a brief look at the evolution of US
military air insignia, from back before there was a USAF. There were
variations even during the WWII years.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/insignia.htm
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Thomas Winston Ping |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:46 pm
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J. J. Lodder wrote:
| Quote: | Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
[...]
When I was small, and thrilled about the war, we got very specific
about names. These planes had a most romantic name: Lockheed
Lightning.
They were actually developed before the war began.
They were an imitation of the Fokker G1 (1934, first showed 1936)
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Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed by
DAF in 1922.)
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Mike. |
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Rodney
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:01 pm
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I was investigating the originations of a Australian War Savings
Stamp last year with what looked like Spitfire image on it, however it had a
machine gun turret behind the cockpit.
It turned out to be a "Boulton Paul Defiant"
So another Spitfire bloodline perhaps.
| Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The Mustang
| was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
| the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
| Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
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| (Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed by
| DAF in 1922.)
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:02 pm
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Thomas W Ping wrote:
Which for me displays blue as black. I'd never seen the singular
"insigne" used in English before: how is it pronounced? (I can't
quite interpret the OED's pronunciation.)
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Mike. |
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Mike Lyle
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:37 pm
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Rodney wrote:
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Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The
Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed
by
DAF in 1922.)
I was investigating the originations of a Australian War Savings
Stamp last year with what looked like Spitfire image on it, however
it had a machine gun turret behind the cockpit.
It turned out to be a "Boulton Paul Defiant"
So another Spitfire bloodline perhaps.
Typically of the industry, Boulton Paul started as a furniture |
company: of course these had the joinery skills needed to build the
aircraft of the period. They are now a furniture company again.
Not sure about any Spitfire connection: I know next to nothing about
the subject. I wonder if it's just that British designers at the time
liked that lean kind of shape, as against the rather chunky forms
found in some American machines.
--
Mike. |
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highstep
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Western stars |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:46:55 +0100, Mike Lyle
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | J. J. Lodder wrote:
Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
[...]
When I was small, and thrilled about the war, we got very specific
about names. These planes had a most romantic name: Lockheed
Lightning.
They were actually developed before the war began.
They were an imitation of the Fokker G1 (1934, first showed 1936)
Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed by
DAF in 1922.)
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And that both were first shown in the same year (my translation).
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Highstep
Time, Gentlemen, please! |
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Rodney
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:49 pm
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In case of any interest, Mike.
an image of the stamp
http://cjoint.com/data/eCrVI7P2yh.htm
| Typically of the industry, Boulton Paul started as a furniture
| company: of course these had the joinery skills needed to build the
| aircraft of the period. They are now a furniture company again.
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| Not sure about any Spitfire connection: I know next to nothing about
| the subject. I wonder if it's just that British designers at the time
| liked that lean kind of shape, as against the rather chunky forms
| found in some American machines.
| Mike. |
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Paul Wolff
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:54 am
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In message <3dc0puF6r1lbkU1@individual.net>, Mike Lyle
<mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> writes
| Quote: | J. J. Lodder wrote:
Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
[...]
When I was small, and thrilled about the war, we got very specific
about names. These planes had a most romantic name: Lockheed
Lightning.
They were actually developed before the war began.
They were an imitation of the Fokker G1 (1934, first showed 1936)
Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed by
DAF in 1922.)
That would have been embodied in the Tardis model ("Better late than |
never") driven by the continuously variable Kuiper Belt transmission.
--
Paul
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:21 am
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Thomas W Ping wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:36:55 +0000, Adrian Bailey wrote:
[...]
These, maybe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USAF_roundel.png
For anyone interested, here is a brief look at the evolution of US
military air insignia, from back before there was a USAF. There
were
variations even during the WWII years.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/insignia.htm
Which for me displays blue as black. I'd never seen the singular
"insigne" used in English before: how is it pronounced? (I can't
quite interpret the OED's pronunciation.)
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in-sig-nee. M-W puts a sound file for it as well as "insignia":
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=insigne&x=8&y=1
7
I'm trying to think why I've heard it. My brothers' Boy Scout years,
maybe.
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Best -- Donna Richoux |
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J. J. Lodder
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:50 am
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highstep <high@step.fr> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:46:55 +0100, Mike Lyle
mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
J. J. Lodder wrote:
Pat Durkin <durkinpa@peoplepc.com> wrote:
[...]
When I was small, and thrilled about the war, we got very specific
about names. These planes had a most romantic name: Lockheed
Lightning.
They were actually developed before the war began.
They were an imitation of the Fokker G1 (1934, first showed 1936)
Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed by
DAF in 1922.)
And that both were first shown in the same year (my translation).
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I said 'first showed' for I referred to first appearance at an airshow.
(Paris 1936, where it created a sensation)
You dislike the usage?
Jan |
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J. J. Lodder
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:50 am
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Mike Lyle <mike_lyle_uk@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Rodney wrote:
Interesting, these ramifications of aircraft bloodlines. The
Mustang
was, I understand, originally an RAF specification, but it's still
the Spitfire which excites the British imagination -- elegance and
Battle of Britain associations, I suppose.
(Jan will be along to tell us that both were originally developed
by
DAF in 1922.)
I was investigating the originations of a Australian War Savings
Stamp last year with what looked like Spitfire image on it, however
it had a machine gun turret behind the cockpit.
It turned out to be a "Boulton Paul Defiant"
So another Spitfire bloodline perhaps.
Typically of the industry, Boulton Paul started as a furniture
company: of course these had the joinery skills needed to build the
aircraft of the period. They are now a furniture company again.
Not sure about any Spitfire connection: I know next to nothing about
the subject. I wonder if it's just that British designers at the time
liked that lean kind of shape, as against the rather chunky forms
found in some American machines.
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No connection at all.
The Spitfire is a unique all-metal design,
the product of one particularly talented designer,
Reginald Mitchell.
It owes nothing to a furniture manufacturer,
Jan |
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