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Phil C.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:33 pm
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:43:59 +0100, Peter Duncanson
<mail@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:03:01 +0100, Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net
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I had a look at the site for Lincolnshire Tourism. Yes, don't laugh.
It's a tough gig. The poor dears are doing their best -
http://www.visitlincolnshire.com/exec/100884
It's difficult to express my reaction to those pages. Let's just say that I
have delayed having lunch until the queasy feeling has abated.
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I've only just looked at the Vibrant Lincoln page. There I learn that
"Lincoln has a strong literary heritage, the County having been home
to Tennyson." So it seems that one unfashionable poet doth a strong
literary tradition make.
Warming to the task, I also followed the links to South Kesteven
churches at -
http://www.churchtourism.org/index2.htm
I learned to "Expect the unexpected in South Kesteven's churches."
I wonder what that means. The vicar dresses as a wombat? The crypt is
used as an S&M dungeon? Who knows. We are also advised to -
"Pick up a free 'Portraits in Stone' church trail at Tourist
Information Centres and experience ecclesiastical ecstacy."
Not too much ecclesiastical ecsasy, I hope, or the pages will get
stuck together.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:29 am
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| Quote: | I had a look at the site for Lincolnshire Tourism. Yes, don't laugh.
It's a tough gig. The poor dears are doing their best -
http://www.visitlincolnshire.com/exec/100884
It's difficult to express my reaction to those pages. Let's just say
that I have delayed having lunch until the queasy feeling has abated.
I've only just looked at the Vibrant Lincoln page. There I learn that
"Lincoln has a strong literary heritage, the County having been home
to Tennyson." So it seems that one unfashionable poet doth a strong
literary tradition make.
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Other Lincolshire poets can be googled from the vasty deep. The
"contraversal" Geoff Tims; Sarah Kind; Barnaby Googe; Anonymous;
Frank Mansell of Miserden; someone called Michael; Pilot Officer
John Gillespie Magee Jr who wrote one poem called "High Flight"
and died in a mid-air collision over Lincolnshire in 1941; and
Laurence Eusden "who, by flattering the Duke of Newcastle, was
made poet laureate in 1718".
Lincolnshire. A county wreathed in the laurel of centuries of
the English poetic tradition...
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:37 am
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At 18:29:26 on Wed, 27 Oct 2004, bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk>
wrote in <12832@purr.demon.co.uk>:
| Quote: | Other Lincolshire poets can be googled from the vasty deep. The
"contraversal" Geoff Tims; Sarah Kind; Barnaby Googe; Anonymous;
Frank Mansell of Miserden; someone called Michael; Pilot Officer
John Gillespie Magee Jr who wrote one poem called "High Flight"
and died in a mid-air collision over Lincolnshire in 1941; and
Laurence Eusden "who, by flattering the Duke of Newcastle, was
made poet laureate in 1718".
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Plus one I knew already: Jean Ingelow, who wrote "High Tide on the
Coast of Lincolnshire" and came, I think, from Boston.
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Molly Mockford
I think I've been too long on my own, but the little green goblin that
lives under the sink says I'm OK - and he's never wrong, so I must be!
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Giles Todd
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:15 am
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:10:49 +0200, "einde. ocallaghan" <"einde.
ocallaghan"@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
| Quote: | Giles Todd wrote:
"Your search - "Wigston Magna" +vibrant +exciting - did not match any
documents."
However "Wigston Magna"+vibrant gets 1 hit and "Wigston Magna"+exciting
gets 45 hits.
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Bah.
I'm not playing if I can't win.
Giles. |
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David
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:05 am
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In article <bua0o0pp88av1b9nv8tqngficp3t50mp3p@4ax.com>,
Giles Todd <g@prullenbak.todd.nu> wrote:
| Quote: | Bah.
I'm not playing if I can't win.
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Wimp! I've been losing for years and I still keep playing.
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:28 pm
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:37:47 +0100, Molly Mockford
<nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | At 18:29:26 on Wed, 27 Oct 2004, bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk
wrote in <12832@purr.demon.co.uk>:
Other Lincolshire poets can be googled from the vasty deep. The
"contraversal" Geoff Tims; Sarah Kind; Barnaby Googe; Anonymous;
Frank Mansell of Miserden; someone called Michael; Pilot Officer
John Gillespie Magee Jr who wrote one poem called "High Flight"
and died in a mid-air collision over Lincolnshire in 1941; and
Laurence Eusden "who, by flattering the Duke of Newcastle, was
made poet laureate in 1718".
Plus one I knew already: Jean Ingelow, who wrote "High Tide on the
Coast of Lincolnshire" and came, I think, from Boston.
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Then there's the bloke who writes Elton John's lyrics. He's from
Market Rasen. You needed to know that. And we shouldn't forget Robert
Manning (various spellings) of Bourne, the mediaeval Gilbertine monk
who wrote the morality poem "Handlyng Synne". In this he railed
against the peasantry's practice of contraception. I don't know what
method they used but perhaps the clue is in the title. Then again, the
first mention of football is in a Gilbertine manuscript so perhaps the
poem is about the synne of hande-balle in the penalty area.
And Lincolnshire's strong literary heritage wouldn't be complete
without mentioning that bloke who wrote "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" -
everyone's favourite light holiday reading. Oooh... his name's on the
tip of my tongue... Foxe! Yeah that's it.
All in all I'm surprised they don't move the Booker Prize ceremony to
these parts. I'm sure the local Corn Exchange could host it.
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:28 pm
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:15:17 +0200, Giles Todd <g@prullenbak.todd.nu>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:10:49 +0200, "einde. ocallaghan" <"einde.
ocallaghan"@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
Giles Todd wrote:
"Your search - "Wigston Magna" +vibrant +exciting - did not match any
documents."
However "Wigston Magna"+vibrant gets 1 hit and "Wigston Magna"+exciting
gets 45 hits.
Bah.
I'm not playing if I can't win.
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<Sigh>. Well if you're going to sulk I'll have to send you a
consolation prize of a bottle of cyber-cider, stolen from the clutches
of a man who was lying in the gutter shouting at cars. He passed out
before he could finish it.
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Phil C. |
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Giles Todd
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:40 am
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:28:47 +0100, Phil C.
<philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Sigh>. Well if you're going to sulk I'll have to send you a
consolation prize of a bottle of cyber-cider, stolen from the clutches
of a man who was lying in the gutter shouting at cars. He passed out
before he could finish it.
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It had better not be corked.
Giles.
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:52 am
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At 23:40:36 on Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Giles Todd <g@prullenbak.todd.nu> wrote
in <jpp2o0llvf890upci7qgsmbf7b5p08vcgn@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:28:47 +0100, Phil C.
philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> wrote:
Sigh>. Well if you're going to sulk I'll have to send you a
consolation prize of a bottle of cyber-cider, stolen from the clutches
of a man who was lying in the gutter shouting at cars. He passed out
before he could finish it.
It had better not be corked.
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If it isn't, won't it all spill in the post?
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Molly Mockford
I think I've been too long on my own, but the little green goblin that
lives under the sink says I'm OK - and he's never wrong, so I must be!
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.) |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:19 am
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:
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Still, I suppose that it's closer to the centre than Birmingham
University (and no, for those that might mistakenly think that Aston
wasn't a "proper university", it did NOT arise through renaming some
benighted Poly, like [say] Oxford Brookes. Rather, it was a CAT,
created during the reign of Tony Benn as Minister of [the white heat
of] Technology. So Aston has always been a "proper university".)
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And before that it was the Technical College. You appear to be re-defining
"always", "proper" and possibly "university" :-)
Incidentally, I see that the Victoria University of Manchester has finally
merged with the University of Manchester Institute of Science and
Technology. I advocated them doing that and calling themselves "Manchester
United University" when what is now Manchester Metropolitan University
wanted to call itself "Manchester City University" 
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:36 pm
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:19:17 GMT, "John Briggs"
<john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:
Still, I suppose that it's closer to the centre than Birmingham
University (and no, for those that might mistakenly think that Aston
wasn't a "proper university", it did NOT arise through renaming some
benighted Poly, like [say] Oxford Brookes. Rather, it was a CAT,
created during the reign of Tony Benn as Minister of [the white heat
of] Technology. So Aston has always been a "proper university".)
And before that it was the Technical College. You appear to be re-defining
"always", "proper" and possibly "university"
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Yes - and for what it's worth, Oxford Brookes does very well in the
Times Good University Guide - ahead of some older universities and hot
on the heels of others.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html
I suspect that in a few years most people will have become pretty hazy
about the age of universities. I suspect too that worrying about the
supposed status of institutions and which is the "best course" is a
privelege of the young and (increasingly) well-heeled. With lifelong
learning in the white heat of the globalised skill-based econmy (or
something) most people wanting to do further courses and
qualifications when they're older will choose between institutions
within easy reach of home.
My knowledge of universities in more recent years is only from
experience of being a purveyor of high-class recorded music to the
gentry. By God we used to get about - Universities everywhere from
Yorks to Herts to East Anglia to Staffs. My top university, judged on
nice atmosphere and friendly, helpful staff, was Leicester. Bottom of
the heap was Nottingham. Nottingham Trent and Queens Medical Centre
were much nicer.
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Incidentally, I see that the Victoria University of Manchester has finally
merged with the University of Manchester Institute of Science and
Technology. I advocated them doing that and calling themselves "Manchester
United University" when what is now Manchester Metropolitan University
wanted to call itself "Manchester City University"
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Is the Victoria University what most of us know as Manchester
University? My son is within weeks ("apparently") of finishing his PhD
thesis under the auspices of Manchester University. Were it to be
renamed Manchester United he'd have to give it up and start again
elsewhere. As would all decent right-thinking folk.
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:09 pm
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Phil C. wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:19:17 GMT, "John Briggs"
john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:
Still, I suppose that it's closer to the centre than Birmingham
University (and no, for those that might mistakenly think that Aston
wasn't a "proper university", it did NOT arise through renaming some
benighted Poly, like [say] Oxford Brookes. Rather, it was a CAT,
created during the reign of Tony Benn as Minister of [the white heat
of] Technology. So Aston has always been a "proper university".)
And before that it was the Technical College. You appear to be
re-defining "always", "proper" and possibly "university" :-)
Yes - and for what it's worth, Oxford Brookes does very well in the
Times Good University Guide - ahead of some older universities and hot
on the heels of others.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html
I suspect that in a few years most people will have become pretty hazy
about the age of universities. I suspect too that worrying about the
supposed status of institutions and which is the "best course" is a
privelege of the young and (increasingly) well-heeled. With lifelong
learning in the white heat of the globalised skill-based econmy (or
something) most people wanting to do further courses and
qualifications when they're older will choose between institutions
within easy reach of home.
My knowledge of universities in more recent years is only from
experience of being a purveyor of high-class recorded music to the
gentry. By God we used to get about - Universities everywhere from
Yorks to Herts to East Anglia to Staffs. My top university, judged on
nice atmosphere and friendly, helpful staff, was Leicester. Bottom of
the heap was Nottingham. Nottingham Trent and Queens Medical Centre
were much nicer.
Incidentally, I see that the Victoria University of Manchester has
finally merged with the University of Manchester Institute of
Science and Technology. I advocated them doing that and calling
themselves "Manchester United University" when what is now
Manchester Metropolitan University wanted to call itself "Manchester
City University" :-)
Is the Victoria University what most of us know as Manchester
University? My son is within weeks ("apparently") of finishing his PhD
thesis under the auspices of Manchester University. Were it to be
renamed Manchester United he'd have to give it up and start again
elsewhere. As would all decent right-thinking folk.
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The Victoria University was a federal university, and had colleges at
Liverpool and Leeds. These, however, became separate universities, and the
remaining campus was re-named the Victoria University of Manchester - its
official title until 1 October 2004, although for some reason the Queen
didn't hand over the new Royal Charter until last week! You can relax -
they have decided the call themselves "the University of Manchester"
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Laura F Spira
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:53 am
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Phil C. wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:19:17 GMT, "John Briggs"
john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:
Still, I suppose that it's closer to the centre than Birmingham
University (and no, for those that might mistakenly think that Aston
wasn't a "proper university", it did NOT arise through renaming some
benighted Poly, like [say] Oxford Brookes. Rather, it was a CAT,
created during the reign of Tony Benn as Minister of [the white heat
of] Technology. So Aston has always been a "proper university".)
And before that it was the Technical College. You appear to be re-defining
"always", "proper" and possibly "university" :-)
Yes - and for what it's worth, Oxford Brookes does very well in the
Times Good University Guide - ahead of some older universities and hot
on the heels of others.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html
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Thank you for pointing that out, Mr C. I was about to object to my place
of employment being referred to as a "benighted Poly". NSOED says that
benighted means "involved in intellectual or moral darkness" and, even
on a really bad day, I don't think that's a good description of Brookes.
Some of us can remember when the term "new" university was applied to
the likes of Sussex and even the days when "redbrick" was a term uttered
with some scorn...
[..]
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Incidentally, I see that the Victoria University of Manchester has finally
merged with the University of Manchester Institute of Science and
Technology. I advocated them doing that and calling themselves "Manchester
United University" when what is now Manchester Metropolitan University
wanted to call itself "Manchester City University"
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My daughter's year at Manchester Met lobbied unsuccessfully to retain
the name Manchester Polytechnic on their degree certificates.
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Is the Victoria University what most of us know as Manchester
University?
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Indeed, and it's my alma mater.
My son is within weeks ("apparently") of finishing his PhD
| Quote: | thesis under the auspices of Manchester University.
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I like the "apparently".
Were it to be
| Quote: | renamed Manchester United he'd have to give it up and start again
elsewhere. As would all decent right-thinking folk.
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Laura
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:59 am
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On Friday, in article
<41829FC8.2000408@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk>
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk "Laura F Spira" wrote:
| Quote: | Some of us can remember when the term "new" university was applied to
the likes of Sussex and even the days when "redbrick" was a term uttered
with some scorn...
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But,... but,... but: Sussex *IS* a "new university". Along with York,
Exeter, Warwick, Aston, Surrey, etc. All the post-1950 ones, in fact.
:-)
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:14 pm
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:53:44 +0100, Laura F Spira
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Phil C. wrote:
Yes - and for what it's worth, Oxford Brookes does very well in the
Times Good University Guide - ahead of some older universities and hot
on the heels of others.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,716,00.html
Thank you for pointing that out, Mr C. I was about to object to my place
of employment being referred to as a "benighted Poly". NSOED says that
benighted means "involved in intellectual or moral darkness" and, even
on a really bad day, I don't think that's a good description of Brookes.
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I'd agree that being involved in intellectual darkness probably
doesn't do much for a university's reputation. But moral darkness? We
could have done with more of that when I was at university.
--
Phil C. |
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