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einde. ocallaghan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:10 pm
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Giles Todd wrote:
| Quote: | On 24 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT, bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)
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"falkirk +vibrant +exciting", 504 hits.
Cracked it:
"Your search - "Wigston Magna" +vibrant +exciting - did not match any
documents."
However "Wigston Magna"+vibrant gets 1 hit and "Wigston Magna"+exciting |
gets 45 hits.
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
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Matthew Huntbach
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:55 pm
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Molly Mockford wrote:
| Quote: | At 15:12:05 on Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> wrote
A crate of cyber champagne to anyone who can find a reasonably-sized
British urban centre which isn't claimed on the Internet to be both
vibrant and exciting.
Well, I'm sorry to say I just googled for +lewes -vibrant -exciting (UK only)
and came up with 173,000 hits, whereas +lewes +(vibrant OR exciting) produced
only 17,300 (sometimes I wonder where Google gets its own figures).
Population 2001 92,177.
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The 92,177 population surely refers to the whole of the District of Lewes,
and not just to Lewes itself. I am sure that most people familiar with the
area when hearing "Lewes" on its own would not suppose it was meant to
include such places as Newhaven and Ditchling and wherever it is the local
authority district stretches to cover to the north and west.
Anyway, doesn't "vibrant and exciting" mean "the town centre is full of
drunken teenagers at night"?
Matthew Huntbach |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:55 pm
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:05:18 +0100, John Hall
<nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <PfvyFcTNYBfBFwX8@jhall.demon.co.uk>,
John Hall <nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> writes:
In article <2u2huqF26dajtU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Matti Lamprhey <matti@official-totally-reversed.com> writes:
"falkirk +vibrant +exciting +not!", 414 hits.
But that doesn't prove anything, as a page that included "Falkirk is
vibrant and exciting, and not at all boring" would match.
Apologies. I failed to spot the exclamation mark. (Though I'm not sure
how search engines would handle those.)
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However, Falkirk is indeed vibrant and exciting. ScotRail say so and
I've never known them lie.
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Phil C.
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:55 pm
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:47:16 +0200, Giles Todd <g@prullenbak.todd.nu>
wrote:
| Quote: | On 24 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT, bogus@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)
wrote:
"falkirk +vibrant +exciting", 504 hits.
Cracked it:
"Your search - "Wigston Magna" +vibrant +exciting - did not match any
documents."
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All is not lost, though.
http://www.solicitorsnetwork.co.uk/8216-record.htm
"Welcome to Leicestershire. Leicestershire County Council is the
largest council in the attractive and vibrant County of
Leicestershire."
Well.... I suppose it would be the largest. A gold award for stating
the bleedin' obvious.
And while I'm in the mood to distribute awards, a gold award for
Travel Drivel goes to
http://www.visitengland.com/destinationguides/Heart_of_England/index.aspx
which informs us that -
"There is England and there is the Heart of England. This is the very
heart of Britain..."
Right... I think we've got the idea.
I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
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John Hall
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:16 pm
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In article <v6ipn050ge0v3p39h53rd425sjc3oq4npt@4ax.com>,
Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> writes:
| Quote: | I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
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I'm irresistibly reminded of that marvellous spoof travelogue by Peter
Sellers of forty-plus years ago: "Balham - Gateway to the South".
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John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) |
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:25 am
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At 09:55:23 on Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Matthew Huntbach <mmh@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>
wrote in <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410250950280.9015@frank.dcs.qmul.ac.uk>:
| Quote: | The 92,177 population surely refers to the whole of the District of Lewes,
and not just to Lewes itself.
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Yes indeed. Very foolish of me. The population of the town is, I
suppose, around 11-12,000 (estimated by me on the basis that, some five
years ago or so, there were around 3000 people on the electoral roll of
one of the three wards).
| Quote: | Anyway, doesn't "vibrant and exciting" mean "the town centre is full of
drunken teenagers at night"?
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Pretty much - it actually means "the kebab shop in the High Street"
which is very much the same thing. But, to be fair, the only drunken
teenagers in the town centre at night are those who can't afford the
train fare to Brighton...
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Molly Mockford, who always avoids West Street on a Saturday night
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.) |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:23 pm
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:16:37 +0100, John Hall
<nospam_nov03@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <v6ipn050ge0v3p39h53rd425sjc3oq4npt@4ax.com>,
Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> writes:
I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
I'm irresistibly reminded of that marvellous spoof travelogue by Peter
Sellers of forty-plus years ago: "Balham - Gateway to the South".
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Perhaps all PR hacks should be forced to watch it once a week.
BTW, those who saw the news item yesterday about the Keep Britain Tidy
Campaign assistant Chief Executive being disciplined for calling Wigan
the arse-end of the world, will be pleased to note that Wigan is
fighting back... by claiming to be vibrant and exciting -
http://www.wigantoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=66&ArticleID=872147
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Phil C. |
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:59 pm
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On Saturday, in article
<9ulkn05b5hoc7h55hskhvdj7svfoogbk3n@4ax.com>
philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net "Phil C." wrote:
| Quote: | Indeed. How can it be shit when (among many)-
http://www.aston.ac.uk/birmingham/
- tells us that "The Aston University Campus is in the centre of the
exciting and vibrant city of Birmingham"
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What a load of baloney; UofA is by no means "in the centre" of Birmingham
(vibrant or not). It's an inner-city suburb that's [just] within walking
distance of the centre (I know, working late one night[1], I left my car
in the uni car park, and walked in to Brum for a curry; that was
singularly hairy trying to negotiate roads that were intended only for
cars and not for pedestrians).
Still, I suppose that it's closer to the centre than Birmingham
University (and no, for those that might mistakenly think that Aston
wasn't a "proper university", it did NOT arise through renaming some
benighted Poly, like [say] Oxford Brookes. Rather, it was a CAT, created
during the reign of Tony Benn as Minister of [the white heat of]
Technology. So Aston has always been a "proper university".)
| Quote: | Universities seem particularly prone to claiming excitement and
vibrancy for their local areas. This may be because they're full of
people with big brains who know about these things. Or it could be
because they target teenagers who don't.
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Especially for Aston; there's one rather grotty pub just off-campus, and,
err, that's it. (The main "industry" appears to be second-hand car
sales.)
[1] It was on one of the occasions when I had physically to be present,
updating the operating system on the VAX which hosted the UK TeX Archive;
mostly, I did that by remote control, logging in over Janet from 90 miles
away. I even did BACKUPs over Janet to local magtapes where I was.
--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi-
national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet
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David
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:31 pm
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In article <00bsn05kfmtvve461404rsn7amc6mg1f5i@4ax.com>, Phil C.
<philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net> wrote:
The mind truly boggles!
But I suppose we have to settle for being vibrant and exciting now that
we can't be gay.
--
http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/penny/1d-01.htm
Ayesha uttered a little Turkish yelp then upped her
voluminous skirts and downed her voluminous knickers |
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Laura F Spira
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:57 pm
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Phil C. wrote:
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I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
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Somewhat bafflingly, "Oxford always has more to discover", according to
the City Council tourism web site. You can almost see it now, setting
off with its map and its packed lunch....
and from
http://www.cotswolds.info/oxford-city.htm
we have
| Quote: | Oxford is the city of dreaming spires. The golden stone of university
buildings with there spires, towers and domes have shaped a graceful
and timeless city, which no visitor forgets.
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Lonely Planet tells us that Oxford "oozes questing youthfulness,
scholarship and bizarre high jinks."
Thankfully I have never noticed any of this.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:56 am
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Laura F Spira wrote:
| Quote: | Oxford is the city of dreaming spires.
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Also known to some as the city of screaming tyres.
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Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus II
Web site www.mike-stevens.co.uk |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:03 pm
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:57:19 +0100, Laura F Spira
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Phil C. wrote:
I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
Somewhat bafflingly, "Oxford always has more to discover", according to
the City Council tourism web site. You can almost see it now, setting
off with its map and its packed lunch....
and from
http://www.cotswolds.info/oxford-city.htm
we have
Oxford is the city of dreaming spires. The golden stone of university
buildings with there spires, towers and domes have shaped a graceful
and timeless city, which no visitor forgets.
Lonely Planet tells us that Oxford "oozes questing youthfulness,
scholarship and bizarre high jinks."
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"Questing"? They must have been reading Evelyn Waugh. Or The Sword in
the Stone.
Local TV interviews with anybody at Cambridge University always take
place on a punt. It must be the law. Or perhaps the producers think to
themselves "Hey! Here's a really original idea for the interview.
Let's do it on a punt!" Is it the same for Oxford?
| Quote: | Thankfully I have never noticed any of this.
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I had a look at the site for Lincolnshire Tourism. Yes, don't laugh.
It's a tough gig. The poor dears are doing their best -
http://www.visitlincolnshire.com/exec/100884
South Kesteven has now become "The Lincolnshire Vales". Apparently.
The Fens have been given the tag "A Natural Manscape". That should
bring the tourists flocking. We used to have a goat so perhaps we
should have kept it in a Goatscape.
The page for Spalding begins with refreshing honesty - "Spalding... is
a town that has to be seen to be believed!" Yup. They can say that
again. Sadly, it soon descends into excitement and vibrancy. We learn
that "Spring is flower frenzy time around the bulb fields". I assume
this refers to the annual ceremony of the bulb pickers being chased
around the fields by immigration officials and benefit investigators.
--
Phil C. |
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Peter Duncanson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:43 pm
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:03:01 +0100, Phil C. <philstoxicwaste@fsmail.net>
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| Quote: | I had a look at the site for Lincolnshire Tourism. Yes, don't laugh.
It's a tough gig. The poor dears are doing their best -
http://www.visitlincolnshire.com/exec/100884
It's difficult to express my reaction to those pages. Let's just say that I |
have delayed having lunch until the queasy feeling has abated.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK
(posting from u.c.l.e) |
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Laura F Spira
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:26 pm
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Phil C. wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:57:19 +0100, Laura F Spira
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Phil C. wrote:
I noticed (rambling on) that the film "City That Never Sleeps" was on
TV late last night. 1953 and set in Chicago. A gold award to any
British city which finds itself described as the "city that never
sleeps". A gold award too to anywhere described as a place "of
contrasts" a place where "the old meets the new" or a place "where
time stands still".
Somewhat bafflingly, "Oxford always has more to discover", according to
the City Council tourism web site. You can almost see it now, setting
off with its map and its packed lunch....
and from
http://www.cotswolds.info/oxford-city.htm
we have
Oxford is the city of dreaming spires. The golden stone of university
buildings with there spires, towers and domes have shaped a graceful
and timeless city, which no visitor forgets.
Lonely Planet tells us that Oxford "oozes questing youthfulness,
scholarship and bizarre high jinks."
"Questing"? They must have been reading Evelyn Waugh. Or The Sword in
the Stone.
Local TV interviews with anybody at Cambridge University always take
place on a punt. It must be the law. Or perhaps the producers think to
themselves "Hey! Here's a really original idea for the interview.
Let's do it on a punt!" Is it the same for Oxford?
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No, people are generally interviewed against the background of a street
full of buses because most of the interviews seem to be about the Oxford
Transport Strategy (keep cars out and introduce residents' parking zones
in all the suburbs so that it makes more sense to drive to Reading,
Birmingham or London to shop/eat/go to the cinema; pedestrianise but
spend a fortune on completely unsuitable road surfaces which need
replacing instantly and on really uncomfortable street seating so that
the drunks won't hang about; dress all this up as "green", conveniently
ignoring the fact that research shows Oxford to be one of the most
polluted city centres in the country) Sorry, I almost started ranting
there.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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Phil C.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:33 pm
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:26:50 +0100, Laura F Spira
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
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Local TV interviews with anybody at Cambridge University always take
place on a punt. It must be the law. Or perhaps the producers think to
themselves "Hey! Here's a really original idea for the interview.
Let's do it on a punt!" Is it the same for Oxford?
No, people are generally interviewed against the background of a street
full of buses because most of the interviews seem to be about the Oxford
Transport Strategy (keep cars out and introduce residents' parking zones
in all the suburbs so that it makes more sense to drive to Reading,
Birmingham or London to shop/eat/go to the cinema; pedestrianise but
spend a fortune on completely unsuitable road surfaces which need
replacing instantly and on really uncomfortable street seating so that
the drunks won't hang about; dress all this up as "green", conveniently
ignoring the fact that research shows Oxford to be one of the most
polluted city centres in the country) Sorry, I almost started ranting
there.
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I think Cambridge must get the Lifetime Achievement Award for the best
"green" transport idea of all time. It was free bike scheme, copying a
scheme in Holland. You just picked up a free bike at any of the many
purpose-built racks around the city, used it for your lawful purposes
and then left it at any rack for the next punter. Lots of old bikes
were done up for the purpose and painted green by young offenders on
community service programmes. Once the scheme began, all the bikes
were stolen so quickly that I never even saw one, although I walked
past a couple of the racks quite regularly. It then turned out that
the same thing had happened in Holland. Funny that.
The planet is safe in their hands.
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Phil C. |
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