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Harlan Messinger
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:51 pm
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I never watched that show. I know he's just being a BITCH.
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Gosh, did you just make an ssertion that Peter is a female dog, with the
intent that we would accept it as true information? Isn't that libel? |
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TROLL
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:37 am
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"Harlan Messinger" <hmessinger.removethis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Peter T. Daniels denies that he libeled someone with the abusive term
"slut." When caught, he tried to pass it off as a joke. There was clear
hostility in his statements. Not jokes.
As far as I know, the difference between an insult and libel is whether
the writer was making an assertion, a claim, a statement intended to be
understand as fact, as information. Do you really think Peter expected
anyone to believe his remark to be a statement of fact about your sexual
activities--as though he would even have any knowledge of them?
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Let me butt in here. Peter goes and makes a great deal of statements about
things far removed from linguistics - as if he knows them as facts. What he
actually is doing is insulting and abusive - and he does it relentlessly -
like relentless pursuit. He's mean-spirited, doesn't dance, doesn't relax
and enjoy things, and has this mind to trash anyone who does. Instead of
the impression that he's way above all that, one gets the clear impression
that he's just one more 500 pound loser in nature's eyes that can't get
girls (or guys?).
A classical musician decides to make fancy dance music, tango or whatever,
out of some of the classical pieces. What does he *assert*? Oh, that the
person is not a musician? And why? Because Peter can't dance! That's why.
But he asserts it, he does it in a bullying fashion. He twists what people
say, puts his own words in their mouths.
A person has published fiction (and music) that he asks to supply a link to
the fiction. He then proceeds to trash things way out of hand that have
brought other people joy. He *asserts* things that he has no possibility of
knowing a thing about. Why? Because he doesn't like Steven King or Ann
Rice? Right, *he* doesn't like. Therefore, no one should like it. It's
more like he couldn't write something like that if his life depended on it.
A professor of physics asks a question and supplies the logic he is using to
form his hypothesis. Sure, it's "not what linguists say." So what? The
man has a right to question all of it. Instead of addressing the logic of
it decently, Daniels proceeds to insult the man and talk down to him. More
like he's jealous that the guy is a real professor of a hard science,
physics.
He's a little would-be tyrant and admits he is no educator, no professor,
nothing of the sort. He's just a troll that lives on usenet.
Now, combining all of that behavior with "ignorant slut" comments - the
little Saturday Night joke takes on a whole new shade. |
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Michael Haslam
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:03 am
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TROLL <getaclue@umorons.com> wrote:
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That may or may not be true. What is certainly true is that Peter is
Peter and you cloak yourself in anonymity.
And "get a clue at you morons" is rubbish.
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Franz Gnaedinger
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:14 am
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TROLL wrote:
| Quote: | Let me butt in here. Peter goes and makes a great deal of statements
about
things far removed from linguistics - as if he knows them as facts.
What he
actually is doing is insulting and abusive - and he does it
relentlessly -
like relentless pursuit. He's mean-spirited, doesn't dance, doesn't
relax
and enjoy things, and has this mind to trash anyone who does.
Instead of
the impression that he's way above all that, one gets the clear
impression
that he's just one more 500 pound loser in nature's eyes that can't
get
girls (or guys?).
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Peter T. Daniels from Wild Onion, king of sci.lang, is a nice man,
despite his rather gruff and grumpy ways. I like him. I called him
a dinosaur but a cute one, whereupon he called me a gentleman.
He is keeping sci.lang in good shape. A herculean task, what with
all the kooks around. And he does it standing by his own name.
He is not exerting anonymous power as a moderator. Compare sci.lang
with the funny farm and loony bin sci.archaeology and you may see
what a good job he is doing, together with his ministers and his
jester Jacques Guy. Peter T. Daniels peterteedanielsed me repeatedly,
and upset me several times, but I always got a chance to explain
my views and make my point more clear, so there is something wise
and royal about his gruff and grumpy ways. He is doing a very good
job in and for sci.lang, and he has a right to reject nonsense,
as everybody has a right to reply to him.
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Comm
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:20 pm
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"Franz Gnaedinger" <frgn@bluemail.ch> wrote in message
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Peter T. Daniels from Wild Onion, king of sci.lang, is a nice man,
despite his rather gruff and grumpy ways. I like him.
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Ahem, from what I read, he regards your postings as nonsense. Nuff said. I
think the few I read were interesting. But I don't count.
Ragging and bitching at a person for creative things that have absolutely
nothing to do with language or linguistics is not "keeping sci.lang in
order." Far from it. It's bitching and ragging and I call it exactly what
it is. That, combined with the alleged dumbass Saturday Night Live bs (a
show I never watched) - and I repeat combined - shows a very different
picture, a picture of a man that loves to rag and bitch about anything and
everything - including things far removed from his alleged profession,
"linguist."
And, in that kind of atmosphere, Mr. Thompson seeks to make jokes at me in
some whatsit Tatar dialect, switching methods of spelling around and expects
me to laugh - or even understand it. That I understood some of it is a
miracle.
Humor?
http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/
Go ahead and laugh. It's a new language, fer sure.
And Mr. LSD goes on the defensive over absolutely nothing - yet I note that
he has not said BOO to a post showing what we look like (we do NOT look
Chinese) after he tries to say that "people who look Chinese inhabit that
entire continent." Oh is that so? He thinks everyone there, or who used to
be there, looks alike? Sorry, that's just not so, just as it's not so for
Europe. As I said, if Batu looked like the people living in Mongolia now
(they look very Chinese), then I look like a Zulu. It just ain't so.
Nice people, people who are inwardly nice, are not gruff and grumpy 24/7.
He is. Therefore he is not nice.
I called him
| Quote: | a dinosaur but a cute one, whereupon he called me a gentleman.
He is keeping sci.lang in good shape. A herculean task, what with
all the kooks around.
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Yah, the Big Gestapo, hey? He getting paid to do all that? On usenet? Get
a freaking yahoogroup - they're free and they can be moderated or
restricted. Try it. He should. That way only people with legit degrees in
linguistics or related subjects can get on it. It's that simple. If he was
really out to do what you just said, he would do it in a minute - and that's
all it takes to do it, ONE MINUTE.
And he does it standing by his own name.
| Quote: | He is not exerting anonymous power as a moderator. Compare sci.lang
with the funny farm and loony bin sci.archaeology and you may see
what a good job he is doing, together with his ministers and his
jester Jacques Guy.
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Call them what they are. Abusers and libelers. Bully and peanut gallery.
Par for the course.
Peter T. Daniels peterteedanielsed me repeatedly,
| Quote: | and upset me several times, but I always got a chance to explain
my views and make my point more clear, so there is something wise
and royal about his gruff and grumpy ways. He is doing a very good
job in and for sci.lang, and he has a right to reject nonsense,
as everybody has a right to reply to him.
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He does not have the right to abuse people and provoke them to abuse him
back. It's that simple. He goes a lot further than just "rejecting
linguistic theories" that are considered wrong, as I said above. No use
trying to help bullies squirm around what they inwardly are. That only does
them a great disservice.
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Comm
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:25 pm
Post subject: LSD: NO comment on urls, hey? |
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"Lee Sau Dan" <danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> wrote in message
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Comm> A lot of the people in Mongolia today look like Chinese
Comm> people to the rest of us - they don't look like US. They
Comm> are mixed with Chinese. None of US got into the USA from
Comm> there anyway.
LSD
| Quote: | Yeah. Those who look like that have been living in that continent far
longer than your race. |
In that continent? LMAO. Well well. They were not living there in that
barren steppe region roaming from east to west and occasionally dipping down
south to meet Big Civilizations. WE were living there.
LSD
Yes, and in person. They don't look Chinese and no one ever mistakes them
for Chinese. They are often mistaken for some kind of Hispanics - so am I -
until we open our mouths and talk.
Inuits look nothing like Chinese people.
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/graphics/inuit.jpg
Hell, the woman on the left resembles me a bit - side view. They could even
be mistaken for some kind of white person - as so many of us are these days
if we open our mouths and speak perfect English and aren't in the sun much
(we tend to get DARK in the sun - fast).
Or http://thedude.com/images/thule_inuit_family.jpg
See how they look as adults compared to young and baby. Same with us. We
as adults either have snub upturned noses, HIGH bridged, but upturned, or
hooked ones like this guy has,
http://topos.blog.excite.it/img/inuit.jpg
or straight like this guy has
http://www.scantours.com/images/Greenland/inuit.jpg
All high bridged, not flat noses at all. The noses stick out, sort of
pointy whether they are upturned, hooked or straight.
There are plenty of examples of pure Tatars from the USSR, too - none of
them look Chinese, no way. I'm Derbet mother, Uzbeki/Russian father.
My father was a red-head, btw, grey-green eyes.
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/pictures.html
Turn the color images of me into black and white images. BIG difference.
Uzbeki
http://www.aup.org/afeganistao/Fotos/images/Afeganistao-Uzbeki-Jovem%20uzbeki.jpg
http://www.ticket.it/abbas/Immagini/miliziani%20uzbeki.Kabul%201992.jpe
http://www.d.umn.edu/~csigler/childhood%20pictures/uzbeki_children.jpg
Derbet:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.oiraty.com/img/img_b_36_sm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.oiraty.com/en_repertuar/repertuar_en.html&h=129&w=246&sz=9&tbnid=Cgg6zuOXMf8J:&tbnh=55&tbnw=105&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDerbet%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.oiraty.com/img/img_b_36_sm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.oiraty.com/en_repertuar/repertuar_en.html&h=129&w=246&sz=9&tbnid=Cgg6zuOXMf8J:&tbnh=55&tbnw=105&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDerbet%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
Just what I'm so used to seeing as US. No way do these people look Chinese.
No one would ever mistake them.
Our oral history claims that those people from further NE in Asia came down
intoTurk area later on when most of Turk-Tatar people had already gone in
waves to the Westerly regions - and the NE people learned horsemanship from
Turks. They were also mixing with Chinese - a LOT, too who had come into
our areas big time. Turks roamed westerly in waves and had been doing that
for a long time, always roaming east to west, or west to east before that.
By the time of Timur-i-lenk, the main Turk-tatar activity was in C. Asia or
E. Europe - depends on what you want to call that big area. Finally, due to
the USSR and Red China, Turks are where they are today, not much roaming
around anymore. I'm sure you will agree, just because some of those
"Tungusic" types of people speak a language that is said to be related to
Turk-Tatar - doesn't mean a damned thing. I speak English. I'm not of
Anglo-Saxon or Germanic decent at all.
They may have learned horsemanship from Turks and such, but they sure the
hell do not have the character of the Turks - or any kind of warrior ethic.
They are not exclusive rare meat and DAIRY food eaters/drinkers either, as
we are. Veggies just don't sit well, and for me they are rabbit food.
Those people are pretty meek people - not rebellious warriors with, I admit
it, a very cruel and bloody streak toward enemies. They are not only
different in looks, but different in character. They are not the same
people, but it seems to me they want to be or try to claim to be. It's
laughable. If those people there today look anything like Batu, then I look
like a Zulu. No way.
The fact is, many other people that saw the Turk-Tatars said straight out -
there is no way in hell you could mistake them for Chinese. If they had
looked like the people there today, well, they look Chinese there, if they
had looked anything like that, all these other people knew what Chinese
people looked like and they'd have mentioned it. When they met up with
Turk-Tatars, they had no idea at all who these people were or where they
could have come from. They did not even give "they may have come from
China" a thought. So there you have it.
You speak of continents? Well, Europe is also a continent. There is no way
in hell that an Italian or Greek looks like an Anglo or Swede. They look
different and their character is also different. I have run into Danish
people, I can show you a picture of a Dane I know, if you want email, that
sure the hell looks like one of US, tho - and his mother looks like us
especially so.
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E-mail: danlee@informatik.uni-freiburg.de
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Harlan Messinger
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:39 pm
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Let me butt in here. Peter goes and makes a great deal of statements about
things far removed from linguistics - as if he knows them as facts. What he
actually is doing is insulting and abusive - and he does it relentlessly -
like relentless pursuit. He's mean-spirited, doesn't dance, doesn't relax
and enjoy things, and has this mind to trash anyone who does. Instead of
the impression that he's way above all that, one gets the clear impression
that he's just one more 500 pound loser in nature's eyes that can't get
girls (or guys?).
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[snipping more complaints about Peter]
Nothing you said supports a claim of libel. |
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Nicolai P. Zwar
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:51 am
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Comm wrote:
| Quote: | THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel, fyi.
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It is libel only if it is untrue.
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Nicolai Zwar
http://www.nicolaizwar.com
"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the
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Michael Haslam
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Nicolai P. Zwar <NPZwar@bigfoot.com> wrote:
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THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel, fyi.
It is libel only if it is untrue.
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I'm not sure if that is the situation in the uk.
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Nicolai P. Zwar
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Michael Haslam wrote:
| Quote: | Nicolai P. Zwar <NPZwar@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Comm wrote:
THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel, fyi.
It is libel only if it is untrue.
I'm not sure if that is the situation in the uk.
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Neither am I. However, the impression the British yellow press gives at
times is that in the UK it isn't libel, regardless of whether
something's true or not.
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Nicolai Zwar
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Harlan Messinger
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Michael Haslam wrote:
| Quote: | Nicolai P. Zwar <NPZwar@bigfoot.com> wrote:
Comm wrote:
THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel, fyi.
It is libel only if it is untrue.
I'm not sure if that is the situation in the uk.
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I believe it is. The press says plenty of nasty things about people that
are true, and Britain is considered to have a pretty free press. What
*differs* between US and UK libel law, AIUI, is that in the US libel
requires a finding that the accused knew or should have known of the
untruth of what he was saying, or something to that effect, whereas in
the UK the test is much weaker than that. Again, AIUI. |
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Comm
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:10 am
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And, in that kind of atmosphere, Mr. Thompson seeks to make jokes at me
in some whatsit Tatar dialect, switching methods of spelling around and
expects me to laugh - or even understand it.
Wow, now that's FUNNY! Standard Mongolian a "whatsit Tatar dialect"!
That I understood some of it is a miracle.
Surre, switch to xox instead of sticking to kok, hey? Yah, none of my |
family are from those Khalka speaking people - I told you that. Point is, I
understood most of it. Why the hell would I "go to" such places to chat -
when I can chat with my own kin folk over a phone or in person? NONE of
them use newsgroups, btw. Most of them speak English.
You fail to grasp the concept of atmosphere.
I know this much - stuff I've done when it comes to music or creative other
things - have made OTHER people smile, made them happy, even made them feel
good when they weren't feeling so good.
The gang on here, led by the grouchy and grumpy Little Peter - do nothing
but poison the well and RAG on people - they wipe smiles off faces. That's
all I need to know. Bhuta. Preta.
Defend that kind of crap if you like - that only makes you as shitty as the
rest.
Stop talking to me. Why the hell you'd talk to me is a Big Mystery. You
have NOTHING to say to me. Not even "OH, a Mongol person; very
interesting." What's so interesting about it? What? I'm Derbet Uzbeki and
Russian - and I speak ENGLISH.
But, OH WOW, a white guy - how very interesting. Do tell, are you the kind
of white guy that likes the sun? Avoids the sun? Gee, what do you eat?
Wow, a white guy. How very interesting - a white guy, a true minority in
the world. Not many left anymore and less and less as time flies by. Wow.
But oh, your unique language is SO easy and SO nice - and SO suited to
global markets and such. None of the people a generation younger than me
who were born here speak Russian, Uzbek or Derbet. They like English so
much that they speak English. That's so interesting that everyone speaks
English since the English are a true minority in the world. Wow. How
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Comm
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:10 am
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"Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZwar@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Comm wrote:
THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel,
fyi.
It is libel only if it is untrue.
It is untrue.
I doubt it, you ignorant slut.
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Are you going to continue on like that? Are you? By day: solving data and
business flow problems for detailed areas of medicine. By night: designing
splendorous sounds for intelligent musicians. For relaxation, he slanders
older people who have been married over 30 years, and does so out of pure
malice.
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Comm
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:11 am
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"Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZwar@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Comm wrote:
THAT is libel. Three examples of it. People can be sued for libel, fyi.
It is libel only if it is untrue.
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It is untrue.
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Nicolai Zwar
http://www.nicolaizwar.com
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