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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:46 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
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I have made bagels at home, but it seemed like far too much trouble,
and the results were nowhere as near as good as even the average
bagels from Costco.
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You need to use an enriched bread dough (2 eggs and 2 tablespoons of oil
to 1lb bread flour) and ideally give it its first rising overnight in
the fridge. You then need to let the shaped bagels rise again before
boiling and baking.
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:48 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Areff had it:
I certainly wouldn't come up with "toaster pastries". For one thing, a
lot of people don't have toasters anymore (= BizarroTCE "these days").
For two thing, they're not "pastries" by any legitimate definition.
Really? Is this similar to the electric kettle discussion? How do
they make toast, since grills (=US broilers) are not popular over
there.
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I myself have a toaster, and in fact I once tried to toast a Pop-Tart in
it, with disastrous consequences. (They had them in the vending machine
in the laundry room in the second apartment I lived in in Chicago [or
third, depending on how you look at it].)
But yes, ever since the invention of the toaster oven, traditional
toasters have been in decline. I'm not sure that should be so, but I've
learned that there are problems with traditional toasters.
I also suspect that home consumption of toast, in the traditional BrE
sense of the word, has also been in decline over the past three or four
decades or so. In the US, that is. The culinary divide between US and UK
has probably never been as strong as it has during the past 40 years.
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:13 pm
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Areff had it:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll" jarring.
Really? How would you say "A large bag of Tootsie Roll"? Rolls?
"A large bag of tootsie rolls". Each individual wrapped thing is "a
tootsie roll".
Tootsie Roll
Oy!
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I reject this Oy. What is the substance of which Tootsie Rolls are
made? Is it just "Tootsie"?
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this is about the same size as a Finger of Fudge). Is that just a
Big Roll, or is five Rolls which haven't been properly separated?
Maybe it's a "tootsie roll bar"? Normative tootsie rolls are the small
things.
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Charles Riggs
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:02 pm
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On 20 Mar 2005 09:16:26 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Riggs <chriggs@#ircom.net> wrote:
An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining site,
discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in Ireland that are
readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the secondary purposes of
AUE is to discuss food, the following snippet listing what one
traveller brought back may be germane. I wonder how difficult it is to
find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you have
any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to Ireland):
Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades; (New!) Nestle
Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy; Hormel Pepperoni;
Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil; Kellogg's Pop-tarts (brown
sugar, cinnamon); Nestle hot cocoa mix; Ray's New York Bagels (plain,
onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly beans; Mennen Speed Stick
anti-perspirant; black jeans; Pillsbury Brownie Mix; assorted Betty
Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes and Brownie mixes; Hershey's Mini
Robin Eggs; assorted Betty Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestle
Coffee-Mate (French Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef
Boyardee Cheese Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and, last
but not least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
She sounds rather large 
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I suspect she's an American. :-}
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:37 pm
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Areff had it:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
I certainly wouldn't come up with "toaster pastries". For one thing, a
lot of people don't have toasters anymore (= BizarroTCE "these days").
For two thing, they're not "pastries" by any legitimate definition.
Really? Is this similar to the electric kettle discussion? How do
they make toast, since grills (=US broilers) are not popular over
there.
I myself have a toaster, and in fact I once tried to toast a Pop-Tart in
it, with disastrous consequences. (They had them in the vending machine
in the laundry room in the second apartment I lived in in Chicago [or
third, depending on how you look at it].)
But yes, ever since the invention of the toaster oven, traditional
toasters have been in decline. I'm not sure that should be so, but I've
learned that there are problems with traditional toasters.
I also suspect that home consumption of toast, in the traditional BrE
sense of the word, has also been in decline over the past three or four
decades or so. In the US, that is. The culinary divide between US and UK
has probably never been as strong as it has during the past 40 years.
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I'm inclined to accept that for home cooking, but I would suggest
that the restaurants are converging, except in the field of Indian
sub-continent food.
Toast is one of the two main breakfast items eaten in the UK these
days (the other being cereal).
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:39 pm
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Laura F. Spira had it:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
I have made bagels at home, but it seemed like far too much trouble,
and the results were nowhere as near as good as even the average
bagels from Costco.
You need to use an enriched bread dough (2 eggs and 2 tablespoons of oil
to 1lb bread flour) and ideally give it its first rising overnight in
the fridge. You then need to let the shaped bagels rise again before
boiling and baking.
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Thanks - I'll check this against the recipe I used.
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Robert Lieblich
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:33 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
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| Quote: | I reject this Oy. What is the substance of which Tootsie Rolls are
made? Is it just "Tootsie"?
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Where is Maria when we need her?
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Murray Arnow
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:16 pm
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Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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How long has Tombstone been around? Back in the early '60s (or maybe even
the late '50s) my father had a job selling frozen pizzas in Brooklyn.
This was not a lucrative thing. I wasn't around then, but had I been,
I'd've been like, yo Dad, who in Brooklyn would buy frozen pizza? You can
have the real thing anywhere, including kosher if you so want.
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The frozen pizza is convenient as a quick-feed to pawn off (var. of palm
off) on the kiddies. It takes a while for the tykes to appreciate the
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Murray Arnow
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:25 pm
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Laura F. Spira wrote:
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Proper bagels are boiled before baking which gives them a completely
different texture from any other bread. Or, to be more accurate, any
other sort of bread I've ever come across - perhaps there are other
cuisines where the same process is used?
Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
They can be produced quite successfully at home, although you need a
very big pot for the boiling or it becomes a very protracted process.
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Finally, someone who knows what a bagel should be. I haven't seen a
proper bagel this side of the pond since my childhood. The reason, I was
told, was that the original dough was problematic for the machinery
needed for mass producing bagels and the recipe had to be altered.[1]
[1] I've also been told bakeries do not use "recipes" they use
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:08 pm
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Murray Arnow wrote:
| Quote: | Laura F. Spira wrote:
Proper bagels are boiled before baking which gives them a completely
different texture from any other bread. Or, to be more accurate, any
other sort of bread I've ever come across - perhaps there are other
cuisines where the same process is used?
Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
They can be produced quite successfully at home, although you need a
very big pot for the boiling or it becomes a very protracted process.
Finally, someone who knows what a bagel should be.
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<curtsies>
I haven't seen a
| Quote: | proper bagel this side of the pond since my childhood. The reason, I was
told, was that the original dough was problematic for the machinery
needed for mass producing bagels and the recipe had to be altered.[1]
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Proper bagels require an enriched dough (see my reply to David
elsewhere) which may well be more difficult to use in mass production -
and more expensive, of course. Similarly, mass produced croissants and
brioche are rarely as good as those from proper bakeries (not the
in-store sort) or home-baked.
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[1] I've also been told bakeries do not use "recipes" they use
"formulas."
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Laura
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:38 pm
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:13:18 GMT, the Omrud <usenet.omrud@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Areff had it:
the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll" jarring.
Really? How would you say "A large bag of Tootsie Roll"? Rolls?
"A large bag of tootsie rolls". Each individual wrapped thing is "a
tootsie roll".
Tootsie Roll
Oy!
I reject this Oy. What is the substance of which Tootsie Rolls are
made? Is it just "Tootsie"?
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You do so rightly. "Tootsie Roll" is a registered trademark.
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Tony Cooper
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:45 pm
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:34:11 +0000, "Laura F. Spira"
<laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
Why are the supermarket display areas so full of grape juice this time |
of year? Every store seems to have a display area of kosher items
that contains several different types of grape juice. How is grape
juice made kosher, and is there non-kosher grape juice?
All web-researchable questions, but first-hand simple answers
appreciated.
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Tony Cooper
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:58 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:34:11 +0000, "Laura F. Spira"
laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
Why are the supermarket display areas so full of grape juice this time
of year? Every store seems to have a display area of kosher items
that contains several different types of grape juice. How is grape
juice made kosher, and is there non-kosher grape juice?
All web-researchable questions, but first-hand simple answers
appreciated.
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I know nothing of grape juice but we are entering the run-up to Passover
and Americans seem to drink it then.
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Laura
(emulate St. George for email) |
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ray o'hara
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:59 pm
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Charles Riggs wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Mar 2005 09:16:26 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk
wrote:
Charles Riggs <chriggs@#ircom.net> wrote:
An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining
site,
discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in Ireland that
are
readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the secondary purposes
of
AUE is to discuss food, the following snippet listing what one
traveller brought back may be germane. I wonder how difficult it
is to
find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you
have
any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to Ireland):
Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades; (New!) Nestle
Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy; Hormel Pepperoni;
Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil; Kellogg's Pop-tarts (brown
sugar, cinnamon); Nestle hot cocoa mix; Ray's New York Bagels
(plain,
onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly beans; Mennen Speed Stick
anti-perspirant; black jeans; Pillsbury Brownie Mix; assorted
Betty
Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes and Brownie mixes; Hershey's
Mini
Robin Eggs; assorted Betty Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestle
Coffee-Mate (French Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef
Boyardee Cheese Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and,
last
but not least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
She sounds rather large :-)
I suspect she's an American. :-}
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The lastest studies show Europeans are equaling and in several
countries have surpassed American in girth,Germany and Greece were
amomg the most overweight countries on the planet. |
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Martin Ambuhl
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:53 am
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Robert Lieblich wrote:
| Quote: | Where is Maria when we need her?
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She's back, although not yet up to full posting form. |
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