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Raymond S. Wise
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:22 am
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Areff wrote:
| Quote: | The Grammer Genious wrote:
the Omrud wrote:
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I've mentioned before that I have a minor addiction to Tootsie
Roll,
which are unknown in Europe, so I always bring some home from US
visits.
Does that mean that Europeans live lives without
any Tootsie Roll Pops? They never have the
experience of sucking on the bright, hard cherry,
or orange, or chocolate candy coating until it is
so thin that you can bite down and crunch it, and
mix the sweet flavor of the crystalline candy with
the warm and chewy Tootsie Roll inside?
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll"
jarring.
But anyway, it takes three licks of a Tootsie Roll Pop to get to the
Tootsie Roll at the center.
http://www.tootsie.com/howmany-sb.html
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I repeat: Erk, this can't be!
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I call Pop-Tarts "toaster pastries" because that is what the people who
make Pop-Tarts and the people who make the products competing with
Pop-Tarts call them. If you were given the job of coining a term to
follow "Pop-Tarts" or the trademark of a competitor product on the
package, what would you call them?
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Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:22 am
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Raymond S. Wise wrote:
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I call Pop-Tarts "toaster pastries" because that is what the people who
make Pop-Tarts and the people who make the products competing with
Pop-Tarts call them. If you were given the job of coining a term to
follow "Pop-Tarts" or the trademark of a competitor product on the
package, what would you call them?
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I certainly wouldn't come up with "toaster pastries". For one thing, a
lot of people don't have toasters anymore (= BizarroTCE "these days").
For two thing, they're not "pastries" by any legitimate definition.
How about "toastable filling-encased snacks"? Of course Pop-Tarts was
long marketed as a breakfast food.
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R H Draney
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:23 am
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Michael Nitabach filted:
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Any food sold under a brand with "New York" in it is pretty much
guaranteed not to be made in New York. As a New Yorker, I can tell
you this with confidence.
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AriZona Green Tea and Tombstone frozen pizzas are, however, made in
Brooklyn....r |
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don groves
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:23 am
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In article <Xns961EDC94C6DB5mnitabachacedslcom@216.196.97.140>,
Michael Nitabach at mnitabach@acedsl.com hath writ:
| Quote: | don groves <dgroves@domain.net (see sig for domain)> wrote in
news:MPG.1ca665dd6acc5db1989a12@news.web-ster.com:
In article <Xns961EBA631BC81mnitabachacedslcom@216.196.97.140>,
Michael Nitabach at mnitabach@acedsl.com hath writ:
CyberCypher <cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com> wrote in
news:Xns961EC0AD9698Fcctxt2002@130.133.1.4:
Charles Riggs wrote on 19 Mar 2005:
An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining
site, discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in
Ireland that are readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the
secondary purposes of AUE is to discuss food, the following
snippet listing what one traveller brought back may be germane.
I
wonder how difficult it is to find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you
have any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to
Ireland): Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades;
(New!) Nestl? Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy;
Hormel Pepperoni; Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil;
Kellogg's
Pop-tarts (brown sugar, cinnamon); Nestl?hot cocoa mix; Ray's
New
York Bagels (plain, onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly
beans; Mennen Speed Stick anti-perspirant; black jeans;
Pillsbury
Brownie Mix; assorted Betty Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes
and Brownie mixes; Hershey's Mini Robin Eggs; assorted Betty
Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestl? Coffee-Mate (French
Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef Boyardee Cheese
Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and, last but not
least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
Jeez. The only thing I'd want on that list might be Ray's New
York
bagels, assuming that they're actually made and sold fresh in
New
York instead of made in some factory in Kansas, frozen, and then
shipped around the USA with a misleading label. Corn meal might
be
another.
Any food sold under a brand with "New York" in it is pretty much
guaranteed not to be made in New York. As a New Yorker, I can tell
you this with confidence.
Sorry, but "New York Bagel Boys" makes the real thing. "Noah's
New York Bagels" are right up there too, judging from the one I
just finished eating not two minutes ago.
Please read my post again.
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Duh! Sorry.
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don groves
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:23 am
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In article <Xns961F7773F860Ecctxt2002@130.133.1.4>, CyberCypher
at cybercypher@19-16-25-13-01-03.com hath writ:
| Quote: | don groves wrote on 20 Mar 2005:
Michael Nitabach at mnitabach@acedsl.com hath writ:
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Any food sold under a brand with "New York" in it is pretty much
guaranteed not to be made in New York. As a New Yorker, I can tell
you this with confidence.
Sorry, but "New York Bagel Boys" makes the real thing. "Noah's
New York Bagels" are right up there too, judging from the one I
just finished eating not two minutes ago.
As much as I love Noah's bagels (Greenbrae store, Marin County), I
gotta say that they aren't real New York City bagels. They're much too
soft. But delicious, delicious, delicious! I'd rather have a Noah's's
bagel almost any day of the week. Down in LA there was I 'n' Joy
Bagels, much more like NYC bagels than Noah's's. Delicious! But that
was 27 years ago.
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I don't find them *too* soft, maybe just a tad, but still very
good eating. I'll have to take your word for NY authenticity
though, as an ex-pat. NYBB makes theirs a bit tougher to the
tooth.
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:23 am
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R H Draney wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Nitabach filted:
Any food sold under a brand with "New York" in it is pretty much
guaranteed not to be made in New York. As a New Yorker, I can tell
you this with confidence.
AriZona Green Tea and Tombstone frozen pizzas are, however, made in
Brooklyn....r
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Brooklyn Lager isn't. Of course Brooklyn *used* to be the brewery capital
of the United States, but that was a long time ago.
How long has Tombstone been around? Back in the early '60s (or maybe even
the late '50s) my father had a job selling frozen pizzas in Brooklyn.
This was not a lucrative thing. I wasn't around then, but had I been,
I'd've been like, yo Dad, who in Brooklyn would buy frozen pizza? You can
have the real thing anywhere, including kosher if you so want.
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:12 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Areff had it:
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll" jarring.
Really? How would you say "A large bag of Tootsie Roll"? Rolls?
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"A large bag of tootsie rolls". Each individual wrapped thing is "a
tootsie roll".
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:13 pm
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Michael Nitabach wrote:
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Oy!
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Chris Malcolm
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:16 pm
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Charles Riggs <chriggs@#ircom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining site,
discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in Ireland that are
readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the secondary purposes of
AUE is to discuss food, the following snippet listing what one
traveller brought back may be germane. I wonder how difficult it is to
find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you have
any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to Ireland):
Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades; (New!) Nestle
Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy; Hormel Pepperoni;
Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil; Kellogg's Pop-tarts (brown
sugar, cinnamon); Nestle hot cocoa mix; Ray's New York Bagels (plain,
onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly beans; Mennen Speed Stick
anti-perspirant; black jeans; Pillsbury Brownie Mix; assorted Betty
Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes and Brownie mixes; Hershey's Mini
Robin Eggs; assorted Betty Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestle
Coffee-Mate (French Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef
Boyardee Cheese Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and, last
but not least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
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She sounds rather large :-)
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Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] |
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:13 pm
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Areff had it:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll" jarring.
Really? How would you say "A large bag of Tootsie Roll"? Rolls?
"A large bag of tootsie rolls". Each individual wrapped thing is "a
tootsie roll".
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Tootsie Roll also comes in a sort of five-roll bar (for UK readers,
this is about the same size as a Finger of Fudge). Is that just a
Big Roll, or is five Rolls which haven't been properly separated?
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David
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the Omrud
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:14 pm
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Areff had it:
| Quote: | Raymond S. Wise wrote:
I call Pop-Tarts "toaster pastries" because that is what the people who
make Pop-Tarts and the people who make the products competing with
Pop-Tarts call them. If you were given the job of coining a term to
follow "Pop-Tarts" or the trademark of a competitor product on the
package, what would you call them?
I certainly wouldn't come up with "toaster pastries". For one thing, a
lot of people don't have toasters anymore (= BizarroTCE "these days").
For two thing, they're not "pastries" by any legitimate definition.
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Really? Is this similar to the electric kettle discussion? How do
they make toast, since grills (=US broilers) are not popular over
there.
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David
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Laura F. Spira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:34 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Richard Chambers had it:
Charles Riggs wrote
An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining site,
discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in Ireland that are
readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the secondary purposes of
AUE is to discuss food, the following snippet listing what one
traveller brought back may be germane. I wonder how difficult it is to
find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you have
any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to Ireland):
Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades; (New!) Nestlé
Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy; Hormel Pepperoni;
Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil; Kellogg's Pop-tarts (brown
sugar, cinnamon); Nestlé hot cocoa mix; Ray's New York Bagels (plain,
onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly beans; Mennen Speed Stick
anti-perspirant; black jeans; Pillsbury Brownie Mix; assorted Betty
Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes and Brownie mixes; Hershey's Mini
Robin Eggs; assorted Betty Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestlé
Coffee-Mate (French Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef
Boyardee Cheese Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and, last
but not least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
Kelloggs do some sort of cinnamon flavoured breakfast cereal, but I have
never been sufficiently interested to investigate further. There is a
plentiful choice of chocolate chip cookies, many of them of excellent
quality, but I do not remember Betty Crocker's as one of them. No difficulty
finding cocoa mix in UK, but we call it cocoa powder. Made by Nestlé, too.
Pepperoni is available, but not in the make specified. Sainsbury's offers
cinnamon and raisin (and cheese and onion) muffins, which I can recommend as
an occasional treat, toasted and spread with butter. I do not know whether
this product is the same thing as the American "bagel". Other types of
bagel are easily available specifically in Leeds, but perhaps not in most
other towns, mainly to serve the city's substantial Jewish population. I
have discovered that Jewish bread offers added variety from the normal
English bread, so I occasionally buy bagels myself.
Sainsbury's bagels are very nice, but more like bagel-shaped bread
than "real" bagels - they are nowhere near dense enough. We get
excellent bagels in bulk from Costco; I've never been but I
understand that there is a famous bagel baker in north Manchester
(another area with a significant number of Jewish residents).
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Proper bagels are boiled before baking which gives them a completely
different texture from any other bread. Or, to be more accurate, any
other sort of bread I've ever come across - perhaps there are other
cuisines where the same process is used?
Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
They can be produced quite successfully at home, although you need a
very big pot for the boiling or it becomes a very protracted process.
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Laura
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Areff
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:41 pm
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the Omrud wrote:
| Quote: | Areff had it:
the Omrud wrote:
Areff had it:
I found David's use of apparently-non-countable "Tootsie Roll" jarring.
Really? How would you say "A large bag of Tootsie Roll"? Rolls?
"A large bag of tootsie rolls". Each individual wrapped thing is "a
tootsie roll".
Tootsie Roll
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Oy!
| Quote: | also comes in a sort of five-roll bar (for UK readers,
this is about the same size as a Finger of Fudge). Is that just a
Big Roll, or is five Rolls which haven't been properly separated?
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Maybe it's a "tootsie roll bar"? Normative tootsie rolls are the small
things.
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the Omrud
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Laura F. Spira had it:
| Quote: | the Omrud wrote:
Richard Chambers had it:
Charles Riggs wrote
An article in http://www.emigrant.ie/ , a highly entertaining site,
discussed the difficulty of finding certain items in Ireland that are
readily obtainable in the US. Since one of the secondary purposes of
AUE is to discuss food, the following snippet listing what one
traveller brought back may be germane. I wonder how difficult it is to
find these items in the UK.
Here's a fairly comprehensive list of what she got, and I've
accompanied this column with a photo for added proof, lest you have
any doubts. In no specific order, she brought home (to Ireland):
Levolor light filtering, custom sized window shades; (New!) Nestlé
Toll House candy bars; Nabisco Chewy Chips Ahoy; Hormel Pepperoni;
Keebler Rainbow Chips Deluxe; Nyquil; Kellogg's Pop-tarts (brown
sugar, cinnamon); Nestlé hot cocoa mix; Ray's New York Bagels (plain,
onion, cinnamon/raisin); Smucker's jelly beans; Mennen Speed Stick
anti-perspirant; black jeans; Pillsbury Brownie Mix; assorted Betty
Crocker Chocolate Chip Cookie mixes and Brownie mixes; Hershey's Mini
Robin Eggs; assorted Betty Crocker Bisquick Complete mixes; Nestlé
Coffee-Mate (French Vanilla); medium white plain corn meal; Chef
Boyardee Cheese Pizza mix and (New!) Deep Dish Meals mix; and, last
but not least, a Safety Gate Hook & Eye.
Kelloggs do some sort of cinnamon flavoured breakfast cereal, but I have
never been sufficiently interested to investigate further. There is a
plentiful choice of chocolate chip cookies, many of them of excellent
quality, but I do not remember Betty Crocker's as one of them. No difficulty
finding cocoa mix in UK, but we call it cocoa powder. Made by Nestlé, too.
Pepperoni is available, but not in the make specified. Sainsbury's offers
cinnamon and raisin (and cheese and onion) muffins, which I can recommend as
an occasional treat, toasted and spread with butter. I do not know whether
this product is the same thing as the American "bagel". Other types of
bagel are easily available specifically in Leeds, but perhaps not in most
other towns, mainly to serve the city's substantial Jewish population. I
have discovered that Jewish bread offers added variety from the normal
English bread, so I occasionally buy bagels myself.
Sainsbury's bagels are very nice, but more like bagel-shaped bread
than "real" bagels - they are nowhere near dense enough. We get
excellent bagels in bulk from Costco; I've never been but I
understand that there is a famous bagel baker in north Manchester
(another area with a significant number of Jewish residents).
Proper bagels are boiled before baking which gives them a completely
different texture from any other bread. Or, to be more accurate, any
other sort of bread I've ever come across - perhaps there are other
cuisines where the same process is used?
Proper bagels are only available from proper Jewish bakeries. You need
to eat them fresh as they stale and harden quite quickly and in my
experience don't freeze quite as well as other sorts of bread. The best
time to buy them is Saturday night or early Sunday morning - the bakers
fire up the ovens after the Sabbath ends.
They can be produced quite successfully at home, although you need a
very big pot for the boiling or it becomes a very protracted process.
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I have made bagels at home, but it seemed like far too much trouble,
and the results were nowhere as near as good as even the average
bagels from Costco.
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CyberCypher
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:42 pm
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the Omrud wrote on 20 Mar 2005:
| Quote: | Areff had it:
Raymond S. Wise wrote:
I call Pop-Tarts "toaster pastries" because that is what the
people who make Pop-Tarts and the people who make the products
competing with Pop-Tarts call them. If you were given the job
of coining a term to follow "Pop-Tarts" or the trademark of a
competitor product on the package, what would you call them?
I certainly wouldn't come up with "toaster pastries". For one
thing, a lot of people don't have toasters anymore (= BizarroTCE
"these days"). For two thing, they're not "pastries" by any
legitimate definition.
Really? Is this similar to the electric kettle discussion? How
do they make toast, since grills (=US broilers) are not popular
over there.
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When I'm at my mother's house in San Rafael, I use the toaster. I don't
make toast over here in Taiwan. I think we have a small toaster overn,
but not a pop-up toaster like my mother's, but I don't eat anything
that I can't boil, stirfry, or nuke in my microwave. Not at home,
anyway.
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Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
For email, replace numbers with English alphabet.
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