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Gunter Kuhnle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:42 pm
Post subject: Me and $Person |
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Hallo,
recently (most recent during interviews), I noticed a lot of people
using the phrase 'Me and $OtherPerson'. I noticed this expression
because so far I thought that in English one normally mentions the other
person first (i.e. $OtherOerson and me).
Is this some kind of regional expression (as all people I heard using
this phrase came from the North)?
Thank you!
Kind regards,
Gunter
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Me and $Person |
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Gunter Kuhnle wrote:
| Quote: | recently (most recent during interviews), I noticed a lot of people
using the phrase 'Me and $OtherPerson'. I noticed this expression
because so far I thought that in English one normally mentions the other
person first (i.e. $OtherOerson and me).
Is this some kind of regional expression (as all people I heard using
this phrase came from the North)?
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It's ordinary demotic, and nationwide. "Me and him", you'll also notice
it's used where the subject case should be used. The yob error.
What I find more amusing is the inverse error, the snob error, but that
wouldn't happen to you and I, would it?
As for order, I doubt if anyone without a blue rinse would notice anymore.
A lot of these rules were laid down by 18th century idiots. Where did
German get the 'time, manner, place' rule I wonder? I shall, you will,
who cares?
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Gunter Kuhnle
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:05 am
Post subject: Re: Me and $Person |
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* Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Is this some kind of regional expression (as all people I heard using
this phrase came from the North)?
It's ordinary demotic, and nationwide. "Me and him", you'll also notice
it's used where the subject case should be used. The yob error.
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I see; I've made this mistake by writing '$Person and me'. Would these
sentences be (gramatically) correct: 'He and I talked ... They talked to
him and me.'?
| Quote: | What I find more amusing is the inverse error, the snob error, but that
wouldn't happen to you and I, would it?
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What would this be?
| Quote: | As for order, I doubt if anyone without a blue rinse would notice anymore.
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I notice it quite often, but this may be due to the fact that we were
told this at least once each lesson during primary school.
| Quote: | A lot of these rules were laid down by 18th century idiots. Where did
German get the 'time, manner, place' rule I wonder? I shall, you will,
who cares?
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I have no idea; I even didn't know it exists, but it makes sense; I
tried to make up a sentence violating this rule - they all sound strange
to me.
Gunter
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Philip Powell
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:22 am
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In message <slrnd33ugq.9lq.gk-usenet@kuhnle.co.uk>, Gunter Kuhnle
<gk-usenet@kuhnle.co.uk> writes
| Quote: | * Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote:
Is this some kind of regional expression (as all people I heard using
this phrase came from the North)?
It's ordinary demotic, and nationwide. "Me and him", you'll also notice
it's used where the subject case should be used. The yob error.
I see; I've made this mistake by writing '$Person and me'. Would these
sentences be (gramatically) correct: 'He and I talked ... They talked to
him and me.'?
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Yes.
| Quote: | What I find more amusing is the inverse error, the snob error, but that
wouldn't happen to you and I, would it?
What would this be?
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English humour - it should be "..but that wouldn't happen to you and me,
would it?"
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Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
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Mike Barnes
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:30 am
Post subject: Re: Me and $Person |
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In uk.culture.language.english, Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | As for order, I doubt if anyone without a blue rinse would notice anymore.
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<looks in mirror>
*I* notice. Often. I also notice "anymore". :-)
To me "blue rinse" very definitely implies female. Did you mean that
only women would notice "me and Fred" as opposed to "Fred and me"?
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:22 pm
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Mike Barnes wrote:
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As for order, I doubt if anyone without a blue rinse would notice anymore.
looks in mirror
*I* notice. Often. I also notice "anymore". 
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Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore".
| Quote: | To me "blue rinse" very definitely implies female. Did you mean that
only women would notice "me and Fred" as opposed to "Fred and me"?
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Metabloomingphorical. The Dutch have wonderful term (spelling?) ou'huur
(old whore) which can be applied regardless of gender or scale of charges.
Paul Burke |
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