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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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The posts in response to mine are uninteresting and disinteresting
compared to the interest of hundreds of posts on this topic in a prior
thread that included Areff and Donna Richoux. I missed an earlier
thread where people inquired about the salute to
the flag. In that thread Areff displayed his ignorance about this
topic, so he is apparently covering for himself now. So everyone's
jealousy and envy in this thread is comical, and disingenuous.
Certainly not as interesting as my fanmail webpage
http://rexcurry.net/pledge_heart.html

It is sad that you all feel badly about never having viewed the
photographs at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html until I showed them
to you.

It is sad that you all feel badly about not being me, the person who
made the historic discovery that the straight-armed salute of the
National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) came from the military
salute in the USA, and from the original pledge of allegiance in
government schools, and not from ancient Rome.
http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html

Someday, if you become more interesting, it is possible that someone
who is even more interesting than all of you might actually do an
interview about the topic on nationwide radio
http://rexcurry.net/michael-medved.html

Oh, and thanks for not actually disputing anything I said. But then,
that is why you had nothing of interest to say right?


What is why? And what does it matter about the salutes? And what does it
matter about any of it? It doesn't. That's why I'm not about to bother
disputing anything you claim. If you want to support socialism, fine.
Socialism has a history of famous supporters and a history of somewhat solid
philosophy. Good for you, you believe in something. Now take it to the
next level and add some quality to your beliefs. Take down the pictures of
the American flag with the swastikas on it. That's pure inflammatory
propaganda that serves no true end other than shock value. The problem for
you is that even if you're right about the saluting bit, *it doesn't
matter.* What points are you supposed to gain by pointing this out? You'll
only attract other kooks. Big deal. With all your enthusiasm, you could be
making a difference with regard to something worthwhile. Get a real cause,
dude.

I saw the quote on your site from the guy who won't say the Pledge of
Allegiance because of your stupid Nazi salute campaign. Only an idiot would
find that connection relevant. In America, we have a constitutional
obligation to respect others' rights to propound the merits of socialism.
We don't care if the Pledge was written by socialists. We'd care if it was
written by Nazis. A rectangle isn't always a square. You're not bothering
people with your free speech or political views; you're turning people off
with your stupidity. You can browbeat the uninformed and the intellectually
unformed. That's no challenge for someone like you. Grow up and help
people. If you want to play with symbols, take a few pointers from Dan
Brown.

You took your shtick to national radio. Great. That's your right. Now
you're known as a kook to millions of people. How can that be healthy for
your ego? If you want to be a kook and imply that people saying the Pledge
are Nazis, or anything like that, you can dry up and blow away. Nobody
needs to hear that crap. If you find a public school in America that still
salutes the flag that way, you might have something newsworthy.

Your subject heading doesn't even say the same thing as your message body.
So what if the Nazis adopted the same salute? That salute conjures images
of evil now. Your news about the salute is 60+ years late. Your news about
the origin of the Pledge is approximately 100 years late. Next you'll
announce that the moon is secretly populated by Nazis who ran out of
American flags, so we took them some more in '68. Whee. Yours is a pretty
stupid mountain to climb just because its possible. As my favorite Greek
always says, "I'm double-parked; I don't have time for this shit."

Mike G.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

On 11 Mar 2005 17:56:29 -0800, de781@yahoo.com wrote:



Quote:
...terrorist-supporting places like Russia, Europe, China, Latin America,
Australia, Canada, Africa, the Middle East, and Asia are going
backwards.

Don't forget America, the nation that has done more to encourage world
terrorism than any other. Ireland, thankfully, hasn't supported it in
wars that serve to promote the recruitment of yet more terrorists and
neither has most of Europe.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

On 12 Mar 2005 05:22:51 GMT, Areff <me@privacy.net> wrote:

Quote:
lightbulb wrote:
Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?

Oy!

Yes, but he meant well.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:58:21 -0500, "lightbulb"
<lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:

Quote:

rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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....


Quote:
Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?

Sure, but Coop is awarded it most months. Would you have someone else
get it? Cruel and unusual...
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

What is why? And what does it matter about the salutes? And what does
it
matter about any of it? It does. The worst slaughter of humanity
occurred because of your socialist philosophy and your apathy in the
socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 65 million in
the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 35 million in the Peoples'
Republic of China, 21 million under the National Socialist German
Workers' Party. That's why you are not about to dispute anything that
I claim.

If you (Mike) want to support or tolerate socialism, fine. You are so
stupid you don't even understand the topic. Socialism has a history of
infamous supporters and a history of solid stupid philosophy. Good for
you, Mike, you believe in something.

Now take it to the next level and add some reason to your beliefs.
Think about why the flag is in front of every school and in classrooms.
It was promoted in an effort by the author of the pledge of
allegiance to nationalize the entire US economy and to have government
take over all schools to create "military socialism" and an "industrial
army" by having children robotically chant in military formation for 12
years on the ring of a government bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the
state. That's pure socialist propaganda that serves no true end other
than promoting the socialism that you still defend because you don't
even know its history. The problem for you is that even though you
know that I am right about the saluting bit, it doesn't matter to you
because you have learned to like socialism and don't want it to stop
growing. What points are you supposed to gain by pointing out that you
were duped by socialism and that your want it to keep growing? You'll
only attract other kooks like those that committed the worst slaughter
in world history. If you weren't so duped and apathetic, and with some
enthusiasm and thought, you could be making a difference with regard to
something worthwhile. Get a real cause, dude.

You saw the quote on my site from the guy who won't say the Pledge of
Allegiance because of it horrid history. Your stupid pro-National
socialist attitude shows that you are an idiot who wants to pretend
that the connection is irrelevant. In America, we have a
constitutional obligation to respect others' rights to not have their
lifes and property stolen by socialism. As you said you "don't care if
the Pledge was written by socialists." And you have already conceded
that it was written by Nazis (Nazi being short for National Socialist).
You have never written or spoken the actual name of the monstrous
Party in your life because you are so intellectually dishonest.
you're turning people off with your stupidity. You can browbeat the
uninformed and the intellectually unformed. That's no challenge for
someone like you. Grow up and help
people. If you want to actually stop being a dupe, then take a few
pointers from my website.

You took your socialist shtick to this group post. Great. That's your
right. Now
you're known as a kook to hundreds of people. How can that be healthy
for
your ego? If you want to be a kook and imply that people supporting
national socialism and being an ignoramus is good or anything like
that, you can dry up and blow away. Nobody needs to hear your crap.
You can find government schools in America that have children
robotically chant the socialist pledge in military formation for 12
years on the ring of a government bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the
state.

You are so philosophically monstrous that you say "So what if the Nazis
adopted the same salute?" Yet you admit that salute conjures images of
evil now. And it wasn't just the salute, as you know. Your learning
the news about the salute is 60+ years late. Your learning the news
about the origin of the Pledge is approximately 100 years late. Next
you'll announce with your pride and support that the moon is secretly
populated by Nazis (National Socialists) who ran out of American flags,
so you took them some more in '68. Whee. Yours is a pretty stupid
mountain to climb. As my favorite Greek always says, "I'm
double-parked; I don't have time for your shit."
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

lightbulb wrote:

Quote:
rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
news:1110614698.704475.26100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The posts in response to mine are uninteresting and disinteresting
[...]


You're wasting your time. This person is just a troll who isn't even
able to quote correctly; don't feed him. He won't stop nor will you ever
"convince" him.

Just feed your twit filter ;-)

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Bye/7, Carsten http://fallschirmspringen-in-gera.de

....Today is the first day of the rest of the mess.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

In alt.usage.english, Rexy wrote:

[...]

Quote:
The problem for you is that even though you know that I am right about
the saluting bit, it doesn't matter to you because you have learned to
like socialism and don't want it to stop growing.

[...]

Rexy, you have clearly done a lot of research into this. Have you never
noticed that the two salutes were not the same, that they differed in
both form and mood?

The Nazi salute was taut, phallic, aggressive, with the arm rigid, the
palm downwards and the fingers parallel and pressed together to form a
spearhead.

The Bellamy salute was a bad actor of the old school doing Romeo beneath
Juliet's balcony: the lovelorn frown, the arm sweeping outwards and
upwards, the hand open, the fingers limp - 'But soft! One Nation
indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all!' ('No, no, no! You look
like a bloody barman pressing a bloody glass to a bloody optic, darling.
Do it again. More vim, less gin, please.')

You are on slightly more solid ground with all this stuff about
'military socialism'. In those days, do-goodery of all political
flavours could be rather militaristic - the Boy Scouts, the Salvation
Army, the Mounties, etc. - and the Left was proudly utopian. It was even
proudly eugenicist.

So it is possible to find some of the roots of fascism in the Edwardian
love of uniforms, cold showers, manly exercise, moustaches and wacky
schemes for improving the world.

But they were all at it in those days and it seems a bit unfair to pin
Nazism on a mild little chap like Francis Bellamy (who, let us not
forget, ended up working in advertising). If you're looking for
uniforms, cold showers, manly exercise, moustaches and wacky schemes for
improving the world, you need look no further than Teddy Roosevelt. I am
sure he was more of an influence on Nazism than Bellamy was. (Which is
to say, Roosevelt's influence was slightly less negligible than was
Bellamy's: Nazism's real roots were in German Romanticism.)

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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

"Carsten Kruse" <c-kruse@t-online.de> wrote in message
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Quote:
lightbulb wrote:

rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
news:1110614698.704475.26100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The posts in response to mine are uninteresting and disinteresting
[...]

You're wasting your time. This person is just a troll who isn't even
able to quote correctly; don't feed him. He won't stop nor will you ever
"convince" him.

Just feed your twit filter ;-)

--

No, I won't ever "convince" him, primarily because I'm done talking about
it. This guy "trolls", but is not necessarily a troll. He carries on
actual "conversations" in the newsgroups and takes his cause to levels of
national awareness. He is, if a troll, the most ambitious of the ilk. He's
encountered thousands of people like me. He's not in it for the facts or
for accuracy. He's into it to make a big mess out of people's loyalties and
symbols. There is no further end to which his propaganda can aspire. Its
sad, really. He's been at it so thoroughly for so long that he probably
believes his line of crap.

Mike G.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

<rexy@ij.net> wrote in message
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[snipped it all, what else could be done?]

Either quote and respond in a manner that is distinguishable from original
post, or buzz off.

Mike G.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 05:17:02 -0500, Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 12 Mar 2005 01:01:39 -0800, rexy@ij.net wrote:

It is sad that you all feel badly about never having viewed the
photographs at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html until I showed them
to you.

All those photos remind me of the "Raise Your Hand If You Got It"
commercials for Sure anti-perspirant. The last occasion I had for a
fascist salute was when my wife was nagging me about some chore. She
was not amused.

Standing too close, eh?
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:56:46 -0500, "lightbulb"
<lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote:

Quote:

rbaniste1@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Chortle. What's "rexy"?

The poster who started the thread: rexy@ij.net
It seems his name is Rex Curry. I apologize to Rex Curry for getting the
name wrong. I apologize to anyone nominally Rexy who may have been
offended.

Mike G.

Thank you.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: skippable rant -- you've been warned Reply with quote

Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:17:39 +0000, Mickwick <mickwick@use.reply.to>
wrote:
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Quote:
Nazism's real roots were in German Romanticism.)

Perhaps, but the filthy Frogs and their greedy strutting at Versailles
provided all the dung.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Re: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute Reply with quote

In article <d0u2p8$a16$1@pcls4.std.com>, R J Valentine at
rj@TheWorld.com hath writ:
Quote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:27:27 GMT Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:

} lightbulb wrote:
}> "Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
}> news:39fclaF5vnllfU1@individual.net...
}
}>>lightbulb wrote:
}>>>Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?
}
}>>Oy!
}
}> That's proper awardspeak. And "disinteresting" is exactly what I meant.
}
} It avoids another "I could/couldn't care less" thread.

How is that different from Most Uninteresting Post, if that's what it
avoids. How does the post make him neutral about a contested issue if
not?

Possibly by the tone or tack of the discussion. For example, I
have become disinterested in many of the threads Yj participates
in.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:14 am    Post subject: disinteresting [WAS: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salu Reply with quote

R J Valentine <rj@TheWorld.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:27:27 GMT Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:

} lightbulb wrote:
}> "Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote
}
}>>lightbulb wrote:
}>>>Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?
}
}>>Oy!
}
}> That's proper awardspeak. And "disinteresting" is exactly what I meant.
}
} It avoids another "I could/couldn't care less" thread.

How is that different from Most Uninteresting Post, if that's what it
avoids. How does the post make him neutral about a contested issue if
not?

The question was well-Oy!ed.

Maybe lightbulb knew that "disinteresting" would distract us from the
previous discussion, and for that reason was exactly what he meant.

I don't think that you can have a disinteresting *anything*, in the
classical sense. It's not transitive, and it's usually used as an
adjective -- you can be disinterested, by having no financial stake
(interest) in an outcome, but you really don't disinterest a thing.

Now, just a month ago I was trying to think of examples of verbs that
are usually in the "to be Xed" form instead of "to X". Will I remember
this, next time I need one? I doubt it.

As I said, I'm discussing the classical sense. The merging with
"uninterested" is probably accepted now, even by conservative
dictionaries.

--
Best -- Donna Richoux
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: disinteresting [WAS: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI Reply with quote

From: R J Valentine <rj@TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: disinteresting [WAS: Salute to the flag of USA was NAZI salute]
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
References: <1110586037.035511.61490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <kEuYd.576$S86.58@fe02.lga> <39fclaF5vnllfU1@individual.net> <vVvYd.2949$9E7.2743@fe03.lga> <jZvYd.1562$qW.389@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <d0u2p8$a16$1@pcls4.std.com> <1gtby5o.kaym2k805y7yN%trio@euronet.nl>
Organization: TheWorld.com

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:14:52 +0100 Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> wrote:

} R J Valentine <rj@TheWorld.com> wrote:
}
}> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:27:27 GMT Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@earthlink.net> wrote:
}>
}> } lightbulb wrote:
}> }> "Areff" <me@privacy.net> wrote
}> }
}> }>>lightbulb wrote:
}> }>>>Is there an award for Most Disinteresting Post?
}> }
}> }>>Oy!
}> }
}> }> That's proper awardspeak. And "disinteresting" is exactly what I meant.
}> }
}> } It avoids another "I could/couldn't care less" thread.
}>
}> How is that different from Most Uninteresting Post, if that's what it
}> avoids. How does the post make him neutral about a contested issue if
}> not?
}>
}> The question was well-Oy!ed.
}
} Maybe lightbulb knew that "disinteresting" would distract us from the
} previous discussion, and for that reason was exactly what he meant.
}
} I don't think that you can have a disinteresting *anything*, in the
} classical sense. It's not transitive, and it's usually used as an
} adjective -- you can be disinterested, by having no financial stake
} (interest) in an outcome, but you really don't disinterest a thing.
}
} Now, just a month ago I was trying to think of examples of verbs that
} are usually in the "to be Xed" form instead of "to X". Will I remember
} this, next time I need one? I doubt it.
}
} As I said, I'm discussing the classical sense. The merging with
} "uninterested" is probably accepted now, even by conservative
} dictionaries.

Yeah, but did you notice how a well-Oy!ed English usage can bring in even
the eternally disinterested (in the classical sense) Donna Richoux?

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R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj@smart.net>
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