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David
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:05 am
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I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on English
English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer instances where this
term has become naturalised within the U.K. (specifically
Hertfordshire)?
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:23 am
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on English
English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer instances where
this term has become naturalised within the U.K. (specifically
Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
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The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
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Skitt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:59 am
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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John Dean wrote:
| Quote: | Adrian Bailey wrote:
"John Dean" wrote:
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S.
American and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has
encroached on English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might
offer instances where this term has become naturalised within the
U.K. (specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
So the 86,500 hits I get on Google linking 'politics' and
'domestically' indicate that Bush and Kerry are locked in dispute
about where to chop tomatos? Like http://tinyurl.com/3a62q where the
Boston Globe reports "Kerry says Bush hurts US domestically,
globally".
Though I doff my cap to you for posting a reply an hour before I
posted my question.
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Hah! Your post arrived an hour before its [indicated] time.
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:06 am
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Adrian Bailey wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on
English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer
instances where this term has become naturalised within the U.K.
(specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
So the 86,500 hits I get on Google linking 'politics' and 'domestically'
indicate that Bush and Kerry are locked in dispute about where to chop
tomatos? Like http://tinyurl.com/3a62q where the Boston Globe reports
"Kerry says Bush hurts US domestically, globally".
Though I doff my cap to you for posting a reply an hour before I posted
my question.
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:25 am
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David wrote:
| Quote: | I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on English
English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer instances where
this term has become naturalised within the U.K. (specifically
Hertfordshire)?
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What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
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Dr Robin Bignall
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:52 am
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:23:24 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on English
English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer instances where
this term has become naturalised within the U.K. (specifically
Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
The very first entry for counter in COD10 is "1 a long flat-topped fitment |
across which business is conducted in a shop or food and drinks are served.
Ø N. Amer. a worktop".
In my home town dialect, the flat surface in the kitchen on which meals
were put on plates before taking them to the table was always called a
counter. The word seems to have been overtaken by 'work surface' here, but
every flat horizontal place at approximately waist height in and around my
house has been a work surface at one time or another.
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wrmst rgrds
Robin Bignall
Hertfordshire
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John Dean
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:00 am
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Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | "John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on
English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer
instances where this term has become naturalised within the U.K.
(specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
So the 86,500 hits I get on Google linking 'politics' and 'domestically' |
indicate that Bush and Kerry are locked in dispute about where to chop
tomatos? Like http://tinyurl.com/3a62q where the Boston Globe reports
"Kerry says Bush hurts US domestically, globally".
Though I doff my cap to you for posting a reply an hour before I posted
my question.
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John Dean
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David
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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In article <370ce09f8lf57nh4ce8ftircq8oibv54bs@4ax.com>, Dr Robin
Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:23:24 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com
wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S.
American and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has
encroached on English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel
might offer instances where this term has become naturalised
within the U.K. (specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare,
strange? Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving
customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
The very first entry for counter in COD10 is "1 a long flat-topped
fitment across which business is conducted in a shop or food and
drinks are served. Ø N. Amer. a worktop".
In my home town dialect, the flat surface in the kitchen on which
meals were put on plates before taking them to the table was always
called a counter. The word seems to have been overtaken by 'work
surface' here, but every flat horizontal place at approximately waist
height in and around my house has been a work surface at one time or
another.
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Thank you, doc. The reason I asked was that I'm currently reading "The
Twelve Apostles" by Anthea Turner in which said writer uses the term.
Information about the writer seems quite sparse except that she lives
in Hertfordshire. I had wondered if she were of Canadian origin.
I've just finished a book wherein a Jewish wife has a clandestine and
amorous liaison with a hunky golem in the woods outside C17th Prague,
and I quote: "Finally they came to a place where the tree branches knit
over each other so densely that it was like a cave. All was silent save
a whippoorwill who called out. /Whippoorwill, whippoorwill./" But the
real inconsistency is the word "honour" alongside normal (regular) US
spellings such as "saber". Frances Sherwood, "The Book of Splendour".
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David
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:04 pm
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In article <cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, John Dean
<john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S.
American and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has
encroached on English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might
offer instances where this term has become naturalised within the
U.K. (specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
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Tiddlywinks?
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Einde O'Callaghan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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David wrote:
| Quote: | In article <370ce09f8lf57nh4ce8ftircq8oibv54bs@4ax.com>, Dr Robin
Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:23:24 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <dadge@hotmail.com
wrote:
"John Dean" <john-dean@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
news:cc4qks$703$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S.
American and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has
encroached on English English. Perhaps the enlightened panel
might offer instances where this term has become naturalised
within the U.K. (specifically Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare,
strange? Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving
customers?
The word "domestically" suggests he means a work surface.
The very first entry for counter in COD10 is "1 a long flat-topped
fitment across which business is conducted in a shop or food and
drinks are served. Ø N. Amer. a worktop".
In my home town dialect, the flat surface in the kitchen on which
meals were put on plates before taking them to the table was always
called a counter. The word seems to have been overtaken by 'work
surface' here, but every flat horizontal place at approximately waist
height in and around my house has been a work surface at one time or
another.
Thank you, doc. The reason I asked was that I'm currently reading "The
Twelve Apostles" by Anthea Turner in which said writer uses the term.
Information about the writer seems quite sparse except that she lives
in Hertfordshire. I had wondered if she were of Canadian origin.
But you don't give any context for the use of the word "counter" - the |
word is used in Britain with various meanings, some of which might be
deemed domestic - we need some context in order to judge which meaning
it might be.
Regards, Einde
| Quote: | I've just finished a book wherein a Jewish wife has a clandestine and
amorous liaison with a hunky golem in the woods outside C17th Prague,
and I quote: "Finally they came to a place where the tree branches knit
over each other so densely that it was like a cave. All was silent save
a whippoorwill who called out. /Whippoorwill, whippoorwill./" But the
real inconsistency is the word "honour" alongside normal (regular) US
spellings such as "saber". Frances Sherwood, "The Book of Splendour".
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:30 pm
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On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:25:39 -0000, John Dean <john-dean@frag.lineone.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
I know that the word "counter", when used domestically, is
predominantly a North American English term (I.e. both U.S. American
and Canadian), but I am wondering how far it has encroached on English
English. Perhaps the enlightened panel might offer instances where
this term has become naturalised within the U.K. (specifically
Hertfordshire)?
What kind of counter? All things counter, original, spare, strange?
Counter clockwise? People who add? Surfaces for serving customers?
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Counter |
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David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
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I've just finished a book wherein a Jewish wife has a clandestine and
amorous liaison with a hunky golem in the woods outside C17th Prague,
and I quote: "Finally they came to a place where the tree branches knit
over each other so densely that it was like a cave. All was silent save
a whippoorwill who called out. /Whippoorwill, whippoorwill./"
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Mm, yes. Range: Eastern US, southeastern Canada.
Did we ever come up with a name for mistakes like anachronisms but in
geography?
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real inconsistency is the word "honour" alongside normal (regular) US
spellings such as "saber".
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Yeah, should be "saeber."
| Quote: | Frances Sherwood, "The Book of Splendour".
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David
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:47 pm
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In article <2kn8i3F4e3ikU2@uni-berlin.de>, Einde O'Callaghan
<einde.ocallaghan@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
Thank you, doc. The reason I asked was that I'm currently reading
"The Twelve Apostles" by Anthea Turner in which said writer uses
the term. Information about the writer seems quite sparse except
that she lives in Hertfordshire. I had wondered if she were of
Canadian origin.
But you don't give any context for the use of the word "counter" -
the word is used in Britain with various meanings, some of which
might be deemed domestic - we need some context in order to judge
which meaning it might be.
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You think I'm expecting too much intelligence in the subscribers to
these newsgroups?
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David
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:54 pm
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In article <1ggcj5v.1lut7h51gxu4hsN%trio@euronet.nl>, Donna Richoux
<trio@euronet.nl> wrote:
| Quote: | David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
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I've just finished a book wherein a Jewish wife has a clandestine
and amorous liaison with a hunky golem in the woods outside C17th
Prague, and I quote: "Finally they came to a place where the tree
branches knit over each other so densely that it was like a cave.
All was silent save a whippoorwill who called out. /Whippoorwill,
whippoorwill./"
Mm, yes. Range: Eastern US, southeastern Canada.
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Common sort of error in historical films where English or Europeans (or
even antipodeans [to us]) are seen farming or selling typically
American produce.
| Quote: | Did we ever come up with a name for mistakes like anachronisms but in
geography?
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I don't know. I was wondering about it in the bath the other night.
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Einde O'Callaghan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:59 pm
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David wrote:
| Quote: | In article <2kn8i3F4e3ikU2@uni-berlin.de>, Einde O'Callaghan
einde.ocallaghan@planet-interkom.de> wrote:
David wrote:
Thank you, doc. The reason I asked was that I'm currently reading
"The Twelve Apostles" by Anthea Turner in which said writer uses
the term. Information about the writer seems quite sparse except
that she lives in Hertfordshire. I had wondered if she were of
Canadian origin.
But you don't give any context for the use of the word "counter" -
the word is used in Britain with various meanings, some of which
might be deemed domestic - we need some context in order to judge
which meaning it might be.
You think I'm expecting too much intelligence in the subscribers to
these newsgroups?
No - just a bit of courtesy - a quote of the relevant passage in the |
book might be appropriate.
I can think of some surfaces in a house I would call a counter, but I
don't know whether these surfaces are the same as the ones in your book.
In the translation newsgroups and mailing lists I participate in it is
usual to give some context - I would expect the same courtesy here - I
can't guess what exactly your author has in mind, I've never read any of
her works.
Einde O'Callaghan |
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