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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:45 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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On Sunday, in article
<1087746630.951102@scooby.ox.compsoc.net>
edfromo@ox.compsoc.net "Richard Green" wrote:
| Quote: | George Forman appeared on a chat show (Frank Skinner's, I think) a year
or two ago accompanied by some George Formby music. I don't think
anybody commented on the joke though.
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At least that was [probably] deliberate; back when Dexy's Midnight
Runners had a hit with "Jackie Wilson Said" (gulp: way back; 1982), they
appeared "live" on Top of the Pops. Behind them the producers had placed
a projected photo- and movie-montage, which included shots of the fat
slob Jocky Wilson (who was famed at the time as a darts player).
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work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
shortcomings of Windows 98 SE".
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Not about coffee and not about espresso |
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On Saturday, in article <40D4A8C4.3D7F@worldnet.att.net>
grammatim@worldnet.att.net "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
| Quote: | The question was not "What ways might he have done it?" but "How did he
do it?"
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I believe I mentioned before that I'd been using the braces from roughly
the time that I first started using both TeX and e-mail, namely the early
1980s. Before that date, I didn't need to communicate my name via a
computer. (Well, it did appear, within comments, in the source code of
my programs: then usually as B. HAMILTON KELLY [since the computers in
question didn't have lower-case].)
Before that date, if I was completing any sort of form, I would enter the
"Hamilton Kelly" in the "Surname" box, and either "Brian" or "B" in the
forename/initials box. In the case of [handwritten] correspondence, I'd
print "Brian HAMILTON KELLY" under my signature, where the recipient
could be expected to be unfamiliar with my name. After I started using a
computer to write my letters, I'd use caps-and-small-caps for the words
of my surname, with lower-case, except for the initial letter, for my
forename.
Telephonically, I'd always have to resort to the "double-barrelled,
without a hyphen" (unless, of course, I was asked separately for my
surname).
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david56
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:00 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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David typed thus:
| Quote: | In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
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Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
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David
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:04 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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"david56" <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote...
| Quote: | David typed thus:
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
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AFAIK he neither "markets" them nor "makes" them; he promotes them.
Matti |
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David
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:02 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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In article <MPG.1b40b40051240dd498a569@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
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Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
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They probably wouldn't know who he was or what he was or even what he
now does. Wrong part of the entertainment industry for our family.
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david56
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:15 pm
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David typed thus:
| Quote: | In article <MPG.1b40b40051240dd498a569@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
They probably wouldn't know who he was or what he was or even what he
now does. Wrong part of the entertainment industry for our family.
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OK. I also have no interest in boxing, but it's difficult to avoid
when it leaks into News.
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David
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Not about coffee and not about espresso |
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Bob Cunningham wrote:
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:17:39 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
grammatim@worldnet.att.net> said:
[on the subject of how Brian {Hamilton Kelly} punctuated his
name before he had a keyboard with braces on it (a typically
asinine P T Daniels topic)]
Bob Cunningham wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:57:41 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
grammatim@worldnet.att.net> said:
[...]
Why are you bothering _yourself_ about it? I certainly haven't e-mailed
you asking you to consider the question.
If you were more familiar with Usenet customs, you would
know that a posting in response to that of another
participant's is to be regarded as a personal communication
in addition to being intended to be read by the general
readership.
If you respond to a posting of mine and ask a question, it
would be discourteous of me not to try to answer it as well
as I can.
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Even when the posting to which I respond was irrelevant, and I was
objecting to the irrelevance?
| Quote: | But you've made it clear that courteous behavior is not
something you care to practice.
It should think it would be unnecessary to explain these
simple things to you.
So far, no fact has been adduced that might, or might not, require an
explanation.
I attempted to show you the courtesy of answering your
question in the best way I could. Your behavior suggested
that you needed that explained to you.
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Your way, clearly, offered no information or explanation, and this
metaresponse is just stoopid.
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:50 pm
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Matti Lamprhey wrote:
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"david56" <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote...
David typed thus:
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
AFAIK he neither "markets" them nor "makes" them; he promotes them.
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You distinguish "promote" from "market"? (That was my word.)
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:23 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:50:06 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"david56" <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote...
David typed thus:
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now makes
kitchen appliances?
AFAIK he neither "markets" them nor "makes" them; he promotes them.
You distinguish "promote" from "market"? (That was my word.)
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I certainly would. To market something means to be involved in the
distribution process. One can promote something by just appearing in
advertisements for the product, by providing a testimonial about the
product, or by endorsing the product.
Race car drivers, for example, promote a product by affixing that
product's name to their cars or their uniforms. They in no way market
the product by doing this even though that advertisement is part of
the marketing process.
I don't know if Foreman promotes the products or markets them. If his
participation is limited to appearances in advertisements or
"infomercials", he's just a promoting the products. If he owns all or
part of a company that distributes the products, then he would be
considered to be marketing the product as well as promoting the
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Matti Lamprhey
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:24 pm
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"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote...
| Quote: | Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"david56" <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote...
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now
makes kitchen appliances?
AFAIK he neither "markets" them nor "makes" them; he promotes them.
You distinguish "promote" from "market"? (That was my word.)
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Certainly. "Marketing" now usually refers to making arrangements for
optimal selling; one of the marketer's tools is getting a celebrity to
help promote the product. In Foreman's case they've taken this a step
further by using his name as the brand.
Matti |
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David
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:08 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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In article <MPG.1b40d3ab4a66c3fb98a56c@news.individual.net>, david56
<bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b40b40051240dd498a569@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now
makes kitchen appliances?
They probably wouldn't know who he was or what he was or even what
he now does. Wrong part of the entertainment industry for our
family.
OK. I also have no interest in boxing, but it's difficult to avoid
when it leaks into News.
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Lots of stuff leaks into the news; nearly as much leaks out of the
brain.
Why have you capitalised "News"?
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david56
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:30 pm
Post subject: Re: "I'm coffee and he's espresso." -- facially nonsensical |
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David typed thus:
| Quote: | In article <MPG.1b40d3ab4a66c3fb98a56c@news.individual.net>, david56
bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b40b40051240dd498a569@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
How old are you?
55
Have your children not explained to you that George Foreman now
makes kitchen appliances?
They probably wouldn't know who he was or what he was or even what
he now does. Wrong part of the entertainment industry for our
family.
OK. I also have no interest in boxing, but it's difficult to avoid
when it leaks into News.
Lots of stuff leaks into the news; nearly as much leaks out of the
brain.
Why have you capitalised "News"?
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I'm not really sure, although I noticed myself doing it and decided
not to fight the impulse.
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David
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:35 pm
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On Sunday, in article <y8mhliar.fsf@hpl.hp.com>
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com "Evan Kirshenbaum" wrote:
| Quote: | bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes:
On Friday, in article <fz8so8hn.fsf@hpl.hp.com
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com "Evan Kirshenbaum" wrote:
People are misled by the similarity to other names into assuming that
his last name is "Kelly" and that "Hamilton" is his middle name.
Hmm; in *England*, Hamilton is not much used as a middle name; YMMV.
Perhaps I read too much into your
] I added the braces to my name, in an attempt to obviate people
] erroneously referring to me as "Brian Kelly" (or even, a great
] Merkin affectation, "Brian H. Kelly").
If nobody actually *did* refer to you that way, then nobody was
misled. Without the braces, I certainly would have been, because *in
the US* middle names are not infrequently drawn from the "surname"
pool.
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Aha! The "people" to whom I was referring in that "> ]" paragraph above
were non-British; it was only when my name "travelled internationally"
that I realized that I had a problem, and the {} solution fell readily to
hand (from \TeX).
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Gwilym Calon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:20 pm
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"david56" <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b410f844c840a9398a573@news.individual.net...
| Quote: | David typed thus:
In article <MPG.1b40d3ab4a66c3fb98a56c@news.individual.net>, david56
bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Why have you capitalised "News"?
I'm not really sure, although I noticed myself doing it and decided
not to fight the impulse.
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Maybe it's because of that imperious way the BBC announcers say it.
"Here is the NEWS - with blahblah blahblahblah, and bebop bebopbop".
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Skitt
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:19 am
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
I don't know. How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's
calling? and who's George Forman?
George Foreman is known for three things. (1) Heavyweight Champion of
the World, who defeated Mohammed Ali. (Didn't he? I do know there was
an "Ali-Foreman fight.")
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No, he didn't. Ali KO'd Foreman in the eighth round.
| Quote: | (2) Named all his sons George. (That's the
relevant one.) (3) Markets an outdoor grilling device of some sort.
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Promotes an indoor grilling device.
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