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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:32 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:59:56 +0100, David <david@dacha.freeuk.com>
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Try to keep up. The Forman reference originated with Peter Daniels.
Peter's posts originate from some newsgroup netherworld where much is
made of nothing, nothing can be considered everything, and everything
is examined in great - but boring - detail. He appears in aue only
through wonders of cross-posting. His function here seems to be the
nipping of the heels of Bob Cunningham.
If you want him back, jerk his leash. We can do without his shrill
yapping.
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Ruud Harmsen
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:49 pm
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Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:35:09 GMT: "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net>: in sci.lang:
| Quote: | Certainly -- the tin c/eh/n hit the ground when you tossed it out the
window, but the tinpot dictator's fall was stopped by his crowd of
supporters.
The tin c/&/n hit the ground because you used up all the protective
covering under the silver dump!
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Isn't this just a phonetic, not phonemic, difference as a result of
stress? In the first example, 'tin' hardly has any stress, and 'can'
is heavily stressed. In the second, 'tin' is stressed and 'can' has a
secondary stress at most.
In British English, I think these examples will sound very different
too, even though the vowel of 'can' is the same each time.
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Ruud Harmsen <rha@rudhar.com> - http://rudhar.com |
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Demetrius Zeluff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:59 am
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David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:4cc20e6be3david@dacha.freeuk.com:
Not knowing how to use Google gets your name known too.
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:31 am
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On Friday, in article
<p1r5d05mvbeqhch138ntr9vpg1cpjm4sba@4ax.com>
tony_cooper213@earthlink.net "Tony Cooper" wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:42:56 +0100 (BST), bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian
{Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:
Because "Hamilton Kelly" is my surname, and has been that of my
antecedents for almost four hundred years. Were I to use a hyphen, it
could perhaps be interpreted (by those that understand these things) that
I was one of the nouveau-riche (whom you have disparaged in a different
sub-thread).
You didn't have to sell the manor and move into the gate-house, did
you? Was the guy that bought the manor a greengrocer that hyphenated
double-barrelled names?
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No; that was Audrey fforbes-Hamilton ("To the Manor Born") and her family
had presumably already gone through that embarrassment, since she *did*
have a hyphen in her name.
(Besides, greengrocer's have spurious apostrophe's, not hyphen's :-)
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fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2. to
work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:36 am
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On Friday, in article
<9os5d0tkehtndo8d41f88psnbtm93jgobc@4ax.com>
realemailseesite01@rudhar.com "Ruud Harmsen" wrote:
| Quote: | Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:46:04 GMT: "Peter T. Daniels"
grammatim@worldnet.att.net>: in sci.lang:
There's no need for morpheme boundaries and syllable boundaries to
coincide. And hyphenation points can got with both or either, depending
on language.
But life is so much easier if they do. There is a language that has
this: Esperanto.
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Do they not have the heli-copter vs helico-pter problem, then?
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fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2. to
work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
shortcomings of Windows 98 SE". |
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:43 am
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On Friday, in article
<jfn6d05lrhrk6p0k3udam45u5p78fus71h@4ax.com>
realemailseesite01@rudhar.com "Ruud Harmsen" wrote:
| Quote: | BTW, as you no doubt know, there are large rhotic areas in Britain
too, in the south-west, in Scotland, and in Ireland (which is not
Britian of course).
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But nevertheless part of the British Isles.
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fix (vb.): 1. to paper over, obscure, hide from public view; 2. to
work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
shortcomings of Windows 98 SE". |
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:44 am
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On Friday, in article <fz8so8hn.fsf@hpl.hp.com>
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com "Evan Kirshenbaum" wrote:
| Quote: | People are misled by the similarity to other names into assuming that
his last name is "Kelly" and that "Hamilton" is his middle name.
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Hmm; in *England*, Hamilton is not much used as a middle name; YMMV.
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work around, in a way that produces unintended consequences that are
worse than the original problem. Usage: "Windows ME fixes many of the
shortcomings of Windows 98 SE". |
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David
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:30 am
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In article <MPG.1b3fb812e58fb1e898a565@news.individual.net>,
david56 <bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote:
55
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http://www.dacha.freeuk.com/aureole/50-frog.htm
DEATH accosted the frog one day in the form of a snake.
One must assume it was a hooded cobra. |
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David
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:38 am
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In article <2jln9gF11kqaoU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Frances Kemmish <fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
In article <2jlmppF131a5rU2@uni-berlin.de>, Frances Kemmish
fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
David wrote:
George Forman is a chef?
Would someone please explain?
He markets a kitchen appliance:
http://www.jordanmarketing.com/george.foreman.grill.htm
Thanks. Is that all it takes to be famous in aue?
I don't think that's why people might have heard of George Foreman. I
think it is the fact that people have heard of him made it useful to
have his name on the appliance.
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With you now. I was thinking it was George Forman. (I wonder how I got
that idea?)
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:53 am
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Frances Kemmish wrote:
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David wrote:
In article <2jlgqlFudgngU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too --
but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
George Forman is a chef?
Would someone please explain?
He markets a kitchen appliance:
http://www.jordanmarketing.com/george.foreman.grill.htm
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I've never encountered one, but I suspect kitchen use is
contraindicated.
Sorry about the misspelling.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net |
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:57 am
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David wrote:
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In article <40D58449.251@worldnet.att.net>, Peter T. Daniels
grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
David wrote:
So, you don't object to their using "Sr", "Jr", "III", etc., to aid
unserstanding but do find Brian's bracketing to aid understanding a
donkey problem?
Curious.
It's got nothing to do with "aiding understanding"; it's been in use
for centuries to distinguish multiple generations.
So, distinguishing multiple generations isn't aiding understanding?
My, my! What a strange use of English you seem to have.
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
I don't know. How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's
calling? and who's George Forman?
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George Foreman is known for three things. (1) Heavyweight Champion of
the World, who defeated Mohammed Ali. (Didn't he? I do know there was an
"Ali-Foreman fight.") (2) Named all his sons George. (That's the
relevant one.) (3) Markets an outdoor grilling device of some sort.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:08 am
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bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes:
| Quote: | On Friday, in article <fz8so8hn.fsf@hpl.hp.com
kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com "Evan Kirshenbaum" wrote:
People are misled by the similarity to other names into assuming that
his last name is "Kelly" and that "Hamilton" is his middle name.
Hmm; in *England*, Hamilton is not much used as a middle name; YMMV.
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Perhaps I read too much into your
] I added the braces to my name, in an attempt to obviate people
] erroneously referring to me as "Brian Kelly" (or even, a great
] Merkin affectation, "Brian H. Kelly").
If nobody actually *did* refer to you that way, then nobody was
misled. Without the braces, I certainly would have been, because *in
the US* middle names are not infrequently drawn from the "surname"
pool.
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1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |they are derived from observing
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:25 am
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
I wondered what you menat by this, until I saw you describe it elsewhere
as an "outdoor grilling device". It is an electrical appliance, intended
for use in the kitchen.
Fran |
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Areff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:34 am
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Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
| Quote: | Without the braces, I certainly would have been, because *in
the US* middle names are not infrequently drawn from the "surname"
pool.
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Most often, by far, such middle names are drawn from *Hiberno-Britic*[TM]
surnames, though I can think of some exceptions. In fact, in this regard,
unlike the case for contemporary baby girls' names, the surname pool is
heavily biased in the Britic direction. How many babies are given the
middle name "Kirshenbaum", say? J'accuse!
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Bob Cunningham
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:12 am
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:17:39 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> said:
[on the subject of how Brian {Hamilton Kelly} punctuated his
name before he had a keyboard with braces on it (a typically
asinine P T Daniels topic)]
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| Quote: | Why are you bothering _yourself_ about it? I certainly haven't e-mailed
you asking you to consider the question.
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If you were more familiar with Usenet customs, you would
know that a posting in response to that of another
participant's is to be regarded as a personal communication
in addition to being intended to be read by the general
readership.
If you respond to a posting of mine and ask a question, it
would be discourteous of me not to try to answer it as well
as I can.
But you've made it clear that courteous behavior is not
something you care to practice.
| Quote: | It should think it would be unnecessary to explain these
simple things to you.
So far, no fact has been adduced that might, or might not, require an
explanation.
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I attempted to show you the courtesy of answering your
question in the best way I could. Your behavior suggested
that you needed that explained to you. |
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