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Richard Green
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:50 pm
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In sci.lang Django Cat <nospam@please.com> wrote:
| Quote: | And it's not to be confused with the George Formby grill, which someone I
know swears she heard a customer in Manchester ask for.
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George Forman appeared on a chat show (Frank Skinner's, I think) a year
or two ago accompanied by some George Formby music. I don't think
anybody commented on the joke though.
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David
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:51 pm
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In article <40D577B9.1B6A@worldnet.att.net>, Peter T. Daniels
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
In article <11ms41xx6l0qk$.1ur3afw3wh5q2$.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M.
Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
No. All had the forename <Hamilton> and the surname <Fish>. You
misunderstood Peter's response to your comment that <Hamilton
would be a very unusual forename: he was giving you an example of
a family in which it was in fact a traditional forename. (The
first one was apparently named after Alexander Hamilton.)
Ah! Thanks. Quite misleading, really.
Did their birth certificates have to have the "III" and "IV" part
of their surname?
Presumably. Though it's not "part of their surname." When "Sr." dies,
"Jr." drops the suffix, but since Jr. is still alive, III can't swith
to Jr. or something like that. (There are examples of III being
nicknamed "Third," just as Jr. is often called "Bud.")
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So, you don't object to their using "Sr", "Jr", "III", etc., to aid
unserstanding but do find Brian's bracketing to aid understanding a
donkey problem?
Curious.
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Peter T. Daniels
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:34 pm
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David wrote:
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In article <40D577B9.1B6A@worldnet.att.net>, Peter T. Daniels
grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
David wrote:
In article <11ms41xx6l0qk$.1ur3afw3wh5q2$.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M.
Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
No. All had the forename <Hamilton> and the surname <Fish>. You
misunderstood Peter's response to your comment that <Hamilton
would be a very unusual forename: he was giving you an example of
a family in which it was in fact a traditional forename. (The
first one was apparently named after Alexander Hamilton.)
Ah! Thanks. Quite misleading, really.
Did their birth certificates have to have the "III" and "IV" part
of their surname?
Presumably. Though it's not "part of their surname." When "Sr." dies,
"Jr." drops the suffix, but since Jr. is still alive, III can't swith
to Jr. or something like that. (There are examples of III being
nicknamed "Third," just as Jr. is often called "Bud.")
So, you don't object to their using "Sr", "Jr", "III", etc., to aid
unserstanding but do find Brian's bracketing to aid understanding a
donkey problem?
Curious.
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It's got nothing to do with "aiding understanding"; it's been in use for
centuries to distinguish multiple generations.
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:58 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:34:18 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
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They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled. |
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Maria Conlon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:12 pm
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Tony Cooper wrote:
| Quote: | Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
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OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too --
but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
Work on that, eh, Tony?
Maria Conlon |
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Aaron J. Dinkin
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:38 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:49:47 +0200, Ruud Harmsen <realemailseesite01@rudhar.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:35:09 GMT: "Peter T. Daniels"
grammatim@worldnet.att.net>: in sci.lang:
Certainly -- the tin c/eh/n hit the ground when you tossed it out the
window, but the tinpot dictator's fall was stopped by his crowd of
supporters.
The tin c/&/n hit the ground because you used up all the protective
covering under the silver dump!
Isn't this just a phonetic, not phonemic, difference as a result of
stress?
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No - the hypothesis was that "can" and "can" were to be equally stressed.
(That's why Evan wrote "The tin *can* hit the ground.") This distinction
is authentic, and made by speakers from the mid-Atlantic area of the
northeastern U.S.
-Aaron J. Dinkin
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Tony Cooper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:40 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:12:15 -0400, "Maria Conlon"
<mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Tony Cooper wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too --
but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
Work on that, eh, Tony?
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Look, I have to work with the straight lines provided. Peter T.
Daniels is not exactly a font of good material. Usually, he's a
balloon to be pricked or a prick that balloons. |
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David
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:51 pm
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In article <40D58449.251@worldnet.att.net>, Peter T. Daniels
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
So, you don't object to their using "Sr", "Jr", "III", etc., to aid
unserstanding but do find Brian's bracketing to aid understanding a
donkey problem?
Curious.
It's got nothing to do with "aiding understanding"; it's been in use
for centuries to distinguish multiple generations.
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So, distinguishing multiple generations isn't aiding understanding?
My, my! What a strange use of English you seem to have.
| Quote: | How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
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I don't know. How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's
calling? and who's George Forman?
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David
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:52 pm
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In article <2jlgqlFudgngU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Tony Cooper wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too --
but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
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George Forman is a chef?
Would someone please explain?
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:57 pm
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David wrote:
| Quote: | In article <2jlgqlFudgngU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too --
but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
George Forman is a chef?
Would someone please explain?
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He markets a kitchen appliance:
http://www.jordanmarketing.com/george.foreman.grill.htm
Fran |
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David
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:59 pm
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In article <2jlmppF131a5rU2@uni-berlin.de>, Frances Kemmish
<fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
Thanks. Is that all it takes to be famous in aue?
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Frances Kemmish
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:05 pm
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David wrote:
I don't think that's why people might have heard of George Foreman. I
think it is the fact that people have heard of him made it useful to
have his name on the appliance.
Fran |
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david56
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:05 pm
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David typed thus:
How old are you?
http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?eu=390001 for a short
article of somebody who was once one of the most famous men in the
world.
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David
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Donna Richoux
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:22 pm
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David <david@dacha.freeuk.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <11ms41xx6l0qk$.1ur3afw3wh5q2$.dlg@40tude.net>, Brian M.
Scott <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
No. All had the forename <Hamilton> and the surname <Fish>. You
misunderstood Peter's response to your comment that <Hamilton> would
be a very unusual forename: he was giving you an example of a family
in which it was in fact a traditional forename. (The first one was
apparently named after Alexander Hamilton.)
Ah! Thanks. Quite misleading, really.
Did their birth certificates have to have the "III" and "IV" part of
their surname?
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No, it's merely a social custom, for convenience. See, for example,
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=53990
I can find one reference that implies that these suffixes might appear
on some birth certificates, but that's it.
Laws for this sort of thing vary by state, and I can find very little
written regulation about what a baby may or may not be named, except for
the stuff about whether it can have the father's name or what if it has
no name when the birth certificate must be filed. There's probably more
guidance in sections about legally changing one's name, but I didn't
look there. In some European countries, I'm told, there are fixed lists
of what babies may or may not be named.
The Ancestry World records imply that each of the four men was named
simply Hamilton Fish. You could probably retrieve a photocopy of their
birth certificates for a small fee...
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Django Cat
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:32 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:57:05 -0400, Frances Kemmish
<fkemmish@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | David wrote:
In article <2jlgqlFudgngU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Maria Conlon <mariaconlon001@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tony Cooper wrote:
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
How do George Forman's sons know which of them he's calling?
They all ignore him because they don't want to be grilled.
OBaue etc.: This is what is called a "groaner." It's a bad one, too
-- but as groaners go, not quite bad enough to be good.
George Forman is a chef?
Would someone please explain?
He markets a kitchen appliance:
http://www.jordanmarketing.com/george.foreman.grill.htm
Fran
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And it's not to be confused with the George Formby grill, which someone I
know swears she heard a customer in Manchester ask for.
Turned out nice again.
DC |
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