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Einde O'Callaghan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:33 am
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | Einde O'Callaghan wrote:
Paul Burke wrote:
Mike Stevens wrote:
John Briggs wrote:
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted
Shakespeare
That was Malcolm III.
Sorry, I'm an algebraist - never could count.
You could have claimed it was in binary... though that would make our
American friend Malcolm I0I0, which makes him sound like a dwarf.
I would have thought that the Roman numeral X would be expressed as
binary 110 (or II0, to use your rather unorthodox style), OTOH binary
1010 would correspond by my reckoning to Roman XVIII.
0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000, 1001, 1010.
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My apologies, you're right. My only excuse is that I haven't had
anything to do with binary maths for the last 35 years! :-(
Regards, Einde O'Callaghan
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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Molly Mockford wrote:
| Quote: | At 15:44:39 on Fri, 9 Dec 2005, John Briggs
john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in
HDhmf.25343$Cj5.15035@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>:
Einde O'Callaghan wrote:
Paul Burke wrote:
Mike Stevens wrote:
John Briggs wrote:
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted
Shakespeare
That was Malcolm III.
Sorry, I'm an algebraist - never could count.
You could have claimed it was in binary... though that would make
our American friend Malcolm I0I0, which makes him sound like a
dwarf.
I would have thought that the Roman numeral X would be expressed as
binary 110 (or II0, to use your rather unorthodox style), OTOH
binary 1010 would correspond by my reckoning to Roman XVIII.
0, 1, 10, 11, 100, 101, 110, 111, 1000, 1001, 1010.
Yes, but what tune does it go to?
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It's not quite the march of the seven dwarves, is it?
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Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus II - Felis Catus III real soon now!
Web site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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Matthew Huntbach wrote:
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Roman numbers use Is. Binary uses 1s. It always annoys me intensely
when people describe the Is in Roman numerals as 1s.
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How could you say a thing like that in twenty oh five? Even the Queen
says "one" when she means "I".
Paul Burke
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Nick
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:09:44 GMT, "Pat Durkin" <durk183@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Strictly speaking, "Go to hell" is not swearing but cursing, and
differs only
in intensity from "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your
armpits."
So, the next Sunday, the preacher was waxing eloquent in his sermon,
ending with: "By God we live and by God we die".
And the boy stood up and shouted, "By God I get my apple pie".
I think the boy's usage qualifies as swearing, oath-taking.
Indeed it does, as do such expressions as "Hell's teeth".
But "Go to hell" is cursing.
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Pretty mild, though, IMHO - "go forth and multiply" is *much* worse!
:-D
Nick |
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Adrian Bailey
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:10 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:09:44 GMT, "Pat Durkin" <durk183@sbcglobal.com
wrote:
"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Strictly speaking, "Go to hell" is not swearing but cursing, and
differs only
in intensity from "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your
armpits."
So, the next Sunday, the preacher was waxing eloquent in his sermon,
ending with: "By God we live and by God we die".
And the boy stood up and shouted, "By God I get my apple pie".
I think the boy's usage qualifies as swearing, oath-taking.
Indeed it does, as do such expressions as "Hell's teeth".
But "Go to hell" is cursing.
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I don't agree that there's any difference (in this context) between
swearing, cursing and cussing, or between a profanity, a curse and an oath.
Adrian |
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Iain Dalton
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:18 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Adrian Bailey wrote:
| Quote: | I don't agree that there's any difference (in this context) between
swearing, cursing and cussing, or between a profanity, a curse and an oath.
Adrian
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"Cursing" comes from the ancient practice of laying an actual curse on
a person, e.g. "May the devil take you!" or "God damn you!", whereas
swearing can be any obscenity. Cussing is slang for cursing. |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:32 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Iain Dalton" <iain.dalton@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134415118.954413.20700@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Adrian Bailey wrote:
I don't agree that there's any difference (in this context) between
swearing, cursing and cussing, or between a profanity, a curse and an
oath.
Adrian
"Cursing" comes from the ancient practice of laying an actual curse on
a person, e.g. "May the devil take you!" or "God damn you!", whereas
swearing can be any obscenity. Cussing is slang for cursing.
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Well, if you are going to define cursing, then I will say that
"swearing" involves taking an oath, usually by means of taking the name
of a holy person or thing, to witness the truth of what one is saying.
"Hells teeth" is the cleaned up version of "By the _________ of our
Lord".
"By" is usually implied. "By God, I swear that what I say is true!" |
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Weatherlawyer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Pat Durkin wrote:
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"Hells teeth" is the cleaned up version of "By the _________ of our
Lord".
"By" is usually implied. "By God, I swear that what I say is true!"
What translator are you using? |
I'd consider putting a letter up the chimney for a new one if I were
you. |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:39 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134416727.636986.51990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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Pat Durkin wrote:
"Hells teeth" is the cleaned up version of "By the _________ of our
Lord".
"By" is usually implied. "By God, I swear that what I say is true!"
What translator are you using?
I'd consider putting a letter up the chimney for a new one if I were
you.
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Hells bells! (Used to play a card game by that name. It was also called
"Oh, Hell!") Anyway, I didn't realize that Steve had resurrected a
late-October thread. I am glad to see, however, that my understanding
and usage have not changed in the interim.
What do you mean, "translator"?
Look at meaning #1 (from dictionary.com) and notice that in 4 out of 4
cases, my definition of "swear" holds up. Even in definition #3,
"curse" is used as a secondary "translation".
4 entries found for swear.
swear ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swâr)
v. swore, (swôr, swr) sworn, (swôrn, swrn) swear·ing, swears
v. intr.
1.. To make a solemn declaration, invoking a deity or a
sacred person or thing, in confirmation of and witness to the honesty or
truth of such a declaration.
2.. To make a solemn promise; vow.
3.. To use profane oaths; curse.
4.. Law. To give evidence or testimony under oath.
Maybe _you_ need to get a letter off to Sandy Claws. |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:40 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134416727.636986.51990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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Pat Durkin wrote:
"Hells teeth" is the cleaned up version of "By the _________ of our
Lord".
"By" is usually implied. "By God, I swear that what I say is true!"
What translator are you using?
I'd consider putting a letter up the chimney for a new one if I were
you.
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Hells bells! (Used to play a card game by that name. It was also called
"Oh, Hell!") Anyway, I didn't realize that Steve had resurrected a
late-October thread. I am glad to see, however, that my understanding
and usage have not changed in the interim.
What do you mean, "translator"?
Look at meaning #1 (from dictionary.com) and notice that in 4 out of 4
cases, my definition of "swear" holds up. Even in definition #3,
"curse" is used as a secondary "translation".
4 entries found for swear.
swear ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swâr)
v. swore, (swôr, swr) sworn, (swôrn, swrn) swear·ing, swears
v. intr.
1.. To make a solemn declaration, invoking a deity or a
sacred person or thing, in confirmation of and witness to the honesty or
truth of such a declaration.
2.. To make a solemn promise; vow.
3.. To use profane oaths; curse.
4.. Law. To give evidence or testimony under oath.
Maybe _you_ need to get a letter off to Sandy Claws. |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:40 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Weatherlawyer" <Weatherlawyer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134416727.636986.51990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
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Pat Durkin wrote:
"Hells teeth" is the cleaned up version of "By the _________ of our
Lord".
"By" is usually implied. "By God, I swear that what I say is true!"
What translator are you using?
I'd consider putting a letter up the chimney for a new one if I were
you.
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Hells bells! (Used to play a card game by that name. It was also called
"Oh, Hell!") Anyway, I didn't realize that Steve had resurrected a
late-October thread. I am glad to see, however, that my understanding
and usage have not changed in the interim.
What do you mean, "translator"?
Look at meaning #1 (from dictionary.com) and notice that in 4 out of 4
cases, my definition of "swear" holds up. Even in definition #3,
"curse" is used as a secondary "translation".
4 entries found for swear.
swear ( P ) Pronunciation Key (swâr)
v. swore, (swôr, swr) sworn, (swôrn, swrn) swear·ing, swears
v. intr.
1.. To make a solemn declaration, invoking a deity or a
sacred person or thing, in confirmation of and witness to the honesty or
truth of such a declaration.
2.. To make a solemn promise; vow.
3.. To use profane oaths; curse.
4.. Law. To give evidence or testimony under oath.
Maybe _you_ need to get a letter off to Sandy Claws. |
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:50 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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At 21:40:26 on Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Pat Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in <e7mnf.32921$q%.3174@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>:
Indeed.
Is this a case of "What I tell you three times is true"?
--
Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.) |
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Pat Durkin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:11 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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"Molly Mockford" <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote in message
news:KhPKE+PQCfnDFw9U@molly.mockford...
| Quote: | At 21:40:26 on Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Pat Durkin <durk183@sbcglobal.com
wrote in <e7mnf.32921$q%.3174@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>:
Hells bells!
Indeed.
Is this a case of "What I tell you three times is true"?
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See my comment to Skitt. Now I know how people feel whose computers and
news servers betray them. |
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:09:44 GMT, "Pat Durkin" <durk183@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
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"Steve Hayes" <hayesmstw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Strictly speaking, "Go to hell" is not swearing but cursing, and
differs only
in intensity from "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your
armpits."
So, the next Sunday, the preacher was waxing eloquent in his sermon,
ending with: "By God we live and by God we die".
And the boy stood up and shouted, "By God I get my apple pie".
I think the boy's usage qualifies as swearing, oath-taking.
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Indeed it does, as do such expressions as "Hell's teeth".
But "Go to hell" is cursing.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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