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hawker@btinternet.com
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:32 am
Post subject: Re: expanded cumbric-celtica with grammar contents |
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You raise a very interesting point, such as the strengthing of gutturals in
the plural, for example the Cumbric word for a cuckoo, which is coc, becomes
cogow in the plural, which is like Cornish in this respect. Also note the
place-name Pencuik, the cuik part means cuckoo and it is from coc, but the
change of O into UI, as in the river-name Goyt, is a feature of Northcountry
dialect, especially in Yorkshire, so it can be deduced that this dialect
peculiarity arises from late Cumbric. There are so many interesting things
to discover when researching Cumbric that I cannot understand why Celtic
scholars, with the exception of a few Scottish Celtic scholars, shun
Cumbric. I have got Nance's Kernewek dictionary somewhere, and when I find
it I will pay more attention to Cornish. Cumbric, or at least a version of
Cumbric, like Nance's Kernewek that Nance called a version of Cornish, can
be revived. What critics seem not to understand is that languages change,
and many of these changes are the artificial changes imposed by grammarians,
as in modern Welsh for example. Modern Welsh is not genuine in the sense of
being handed down from one generation of Welsh speakers to the next, because
not a small amount of modern Welsh has been handed on by grammarians, yet
modern Welsh still functions as a means of communication, and not only that
it is the second official language of England, which incidental legally
includes Cornish, so Cornish speakers and anyone else in Cornwall, next time
you get an official form demand a Welsh version just in order to be
"Cornish". Of all the Celtic newsgroup I find that the Cornish and Scottish
newsgroups are the best, especially where IQ is concerned. You Bretons, if
you can read this, see how relaxed the U.K. is with regard to the Celtic
languages.
"Angof" <angof@noreply.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Interesting to see the similarities to Cornish
Onan (Unn), dew (diw), Tri (teyr), peswar (peder), pymp, hwegh, seyth,
eth, naw, deg, unnek, diwthek, trithek, peswarthek, pymthek and so on up
to ugens which is twenty
The bracketed items are the feminine mutations of those numbers (numbers 1
to 4 in cornish mutate with in the feminine)
"Adrian D. Shaw" <ais@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Felly sgrifennodd hawker@btinternet.com <flink@btinternet.com>:
Un, dwy, tair, pedair,
pym, chwych, saith, wyth, deg, un as ddec, dawddec, tair ar ddec,
pedair
ar ddec, pymthec, un ar bymthec, dwy ar bymthec, dawnou ar bymthec,
ugain.
Most of the work has already been done for me, and my only contribution
is
to discover small discrepancies, such as dec for deg, un ar ddhec for
un
ar ddeg, and so on. I cannot take credit for the Reconstruction of
Cumbric
alone; I could do nothing without the research of others.
The numbers above are missing nine and nineteen. I'd guess (from the word
you give for eighteen) that nine is "nou". Eighteen is probably wrong;
it translates as "two nines on fifteen" (which would be 33). I think it
should just be "dawnou". I guess nineteen would be "pedair ar bymthec".
You give 11 as "un as ddec". I suppose the "as" is a typo for "ar", but
languages are funny things and you could be right.
Adrian
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Adrian Shaw ais@
Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber.
Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac.
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:32 pm
Post subject: Re: expanded cumbric-celtica with grammar contents |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 05:43:43 +0200, in article
<42eaf780$0$25062$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>
N.T@neptud.invalid "Nick Thalop" wrote:
| Quote: | Angof wrote:
Interesting to see the similarities to Cornish
Onan (Unn), dew (diw), Tri (teyr), peswar (peder), pymp, hwegh,
seyth, eth, naw, deg, unnek, diwthek, trithek, peswarthek, pymthek
and so on up to ugens which is twenty
The bracketed items are the feminine mutations of those numbers
(numbers 1 to 4 in cornish mutate with in the feminine)
"Adrian D. Shaw" <ais@aber.ac.uk> wrote in message
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http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk
... and to Breton :
unan, daou (div), tri (teir), pevar (peder), pemp, c'hweceh, seieh, eish,
nav, dek, unnek, daouzek, trizek, pevaezek, pemzek, c'hwezek, seitek,
triwec'h, naoutek, ugent ...
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Someone at the University of Lancaster did a PhD in (IIRC) the early
1970s on "sheep scores". He had dozens of variations of these "numbers
for counting to twenty" which mostly went to suggest a common P-Celtic
origin (including that found in use by the Wawentoc Indians in what is
nowadays the state of Maine).
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk
"I don't think you're in the top class when it comes to thinking
- I suspect I could wade through the depths of your mind and not
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John of Aix
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:07 am
Post subject: Re: medieval church's agricultural land? |
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | meeso wrote:
Hello to everyone,
I'd really appreicate it if someone could tell me what is the one
english word to describe the agricultural land owned by the church,
and surrounding it, in medieval Europe. However, I do not mean the
"churchyard", for the other land I am talking about was used for
agriculture and was considerably vast.
Glebe.
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Goodness. Well done John. I know this word but if I had thought for a
week I doubt if it would have come back into memory.
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John of Aix
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Go to hell - Is this swearing? |
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Brian Wickham wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:09:17 -0400, "ray o'hara" <roh@comcast.net
wrote:
"Subba Rao" <castellan2004-mail@SPAMBUSTER.yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:l6idncZSsb_e0v7eRVn-rA@adelphia.com...
Hello everyone,
I was narrating a business conversation to my girlfriend. I have
mentioned that the business dealing lead me to a "Go to hell"
attitude. She asked me not to use those swear words. I did not
know that "Go to hell" was a swear word/phrase. I am under the
impression that the F-word, s**t word etc, were considered swear
words.
It is a mild swear. Use "A devil may care attitude" it means the
same and won't offend anyone.
I interpret the two as having different meanings. A person who loves
to party, or burn the candle at both ends, may have a "devil may care"
attitude. But a person who says, "screw you, I'm doing it my way" has
a "go to hell" attitude.
I see a "go to hell" attitude to be directed at those around the
person in question. A "devil may care" attitude is directed within.
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I agree, they are quite different, even though Beelzebub is suggested by
both. |
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Nick Wagg
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:38 pm
Post subject: Re: GENDER INCLUSIVE ENGLISH - HELP NEEDED! |
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<mmielim@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Actually, Brits fill *in* forms and questionnaires.
Americans fill them *out*. |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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apprentice wrote:
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In my literature classes I have a text by Malcolm X.
A few words I do not understand.
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Malcolm X was an American. Please do not ask questions about American
culture here - we may retaliate by asking you questions about Russian
culture 
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | Malcolm X was an American. Please do not ask questions about American
culture here
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Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint him.
Paul Burke |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:48 pm
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | John Briggs wrote:
Malcolm X was an American. Please do not ask questions about
American culture here
Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint
him.
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Why? He seems to have been a decent enough chap, if somewhat ineffectual.
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:21 am
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | Paul Burke wrote:
John Briggs wrote:
Malcolm X was an American. Please do not ask questions about
American culture here
Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint
him.
Why? He seems to have been a decent enough chap, if somewhat
ineffectual.
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But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted Shakespeare at him
until he ran away.
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narrowboat Felis Catus II - Felis Catus III real soon now!
Web site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
No man is an island. So is Man. |
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint
him.
Why? He seems to have been a decent enough chap, if somewhat
ineffectual. |
u.c.l.ENGLISH. Malcolm was Scottish, despite being a virgin.
Paul Burke |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Malcolm X |
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Mike Stevens wrote:
| Quote: | John Briggs wrote:
Paul Burke wrote:
John Briggs wrote:
Malcolm X was an American. Please do not ask questions about
American culture here
Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint
him.
Why? He seems to have been a decent enough chap, if somewhat
ineffectual.
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted Shakespeare
at him until he ran away.
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That was Malcolm III.
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John Briggs |
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John Briggs
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:31 pm
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Paul Burke wrote:
| Quote: | John Briggs wrote:
Even if he'd asked about Malcolm IV we would have had to disappoint
him.
Why? He seems to have been a decent enough chap, if somewhat
ineffectual.
u.c.l.ENGLISH. Malcolm was Scottish, despite being a virgin.
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He may well have spoken English (despite having a Scottish name) - his
father was Earl of Huntingdon. As king, he lost large chunks of England.
(Especially Cumberland, where they presumably spoke Welsh...)
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Mike Stevens
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:48 am
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John Briggs wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Stevens wrote:
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted Shakespeare
at him until he ran away.
That was Malcolm III.
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Sorry, I'm an algebraist - never could count.
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Mike Stevens
narrowboat Felis Catus II - Felis Catus III real soon now!
Web site www.mike-stevens.co.uk
No man is an island. So is Man. |
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Paul Burke
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:50 pm
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Mike Stevens wrote:
| Quote: | John Briggs wrote:
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted Shakespeare
That was Malcolm III.
Sorry, I'm an algebraist - never could count.
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You could have claimed it was in binary... though that would make our
American friend Malcolm I0I0, which makes him sound like a dwarf.
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Molly Mockford
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:41 am
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At 08:50:02 on Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote in
<3vqaefF1782dgU1@individual.net>:
| Quote: | Mike Stevens wrote:
John Briggs wrote:
But if he's asked about Malcolm II we could have quoted Shakespeare
That was Malcolm III.
Sorry, I'm an algebraist - never could count.
You could have claimed it was in binary... though that would make our
American friend Malcolm I0I0, which makes him sound like a dwarf.
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I would have ahbou-d that, but for the fact that 98% of those who read
that group wouldn't understand it 
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Molly Mockford
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety - Benjamin Franklin
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.) |
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